Yes I see that and it will be paid for by us as the cost of motoring is put on the ICE owners.

When do we get nuclear units

How long do you need to keep a EV to offset the environmental cost of production?

from auto express

Polestar says manufacturing a 2 creates 24 tonnes of CO2e (CO2 equivalents), compared with just 14 tonnes of CO2e to make a petrol-engined XC40. This extra CO2 is largely attributable to the production of the battery pack needed for the EV. Depending on the source of power used to charge the Polestar during its lifetime, the EV will eventually offset the XC40’s lower manufacturing CO2 footprint, becoming the ‘greener’ of the two cars.

In an ideal world, with the Polestar charged using entirely renewable wind power, a driver would still need to travel 31,000 miles before the EV’s carbon footprint becomes smaller than the petrol XC40’s. This wind-powered scenario would involve just 0.4 tonnes of carbon being released over 125,000 miles of travel.

If the 2 is charged from what Polestar calls the ‘European grid’ – the average electricity mix across 28 countries – the EV has to travel 50,000 miles before its lifetime carbon footprint is lower than the petrol XC40’s.

Clearly, the mix of wind and nuclear power across Europe significantly helps to reduce the CO2 load when recharging an EV. Polestar’s calculations, based on the average global energy mix, show it would take 70,000 miles before the 2 had a CO2 advantage over the petrol XC40. At work
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Boxbrownie wrote:

Andy131 wrote:

A car is not merely a means of transport, it is an art form, it is a sanctuary, it is a soundtrack for the soul - possibly biased.

And you drive a Disco Sport?

I thought you might have a Bugatti Royale?

OOOh that hurts, why on earth would I want an overpriced VW?

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Sidthecat wrote:

@ pinhead
I live in SE London in the middle of a Victorian terrace, no driveways, we legally park two wheels on the pavement, barely room at the front for a dustbin so no possibility whatsoever of installing a charging point. Bearing that in mind everything else becomes irrelevant

Thanks chickengeorge.
The reason i ask is due to car buying behaviour....and also the industries take on new car buying (the second influences the first!) and in particular the tendency to buy or renew a car every 3 years (also consider leasing here).
So the question will be:
is it the case that the first person to buy a brand new EV will not probably see the supposed green benefit of purchasing such a vehicle?
If this is the case to be more green (if that is the correct expression) you should buy second hand and at least 2-3yrs old

I doubt Sid has a diesel pump on the pavement by his house, which sort of torpedoes that argument too. Current driveway contents:
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pinhead wrote:

Sidthecat wrote:

@ pinhead
I live in SE London in the middle of a Victorian terrace, no driveways, we legally park two wheels on the pavement, barely room at the front for a dustbin so no possibility whatsoever of installing a charging point. Bearing that in mind everything else becomes irrelevant

Ah but as you live in London you have charge points all over the place
You even get congestion charge exemption for an ev and cut price parking surly that must be a huge benefit?

See that's the problem - we have all been lied to by the TV.

London is all like Downing street, good parking and a Policeman on every street corner.
Yorkshire is like Emmerdale - all countryside and Range Rovers.
Lancashire (& Manchester) is like Coronation Street - cobbled streets and terraced houses.
Cheshire is full of swimming pools.
And in Cornwall it is sunshine every day and every adult male is a fisherman.

In truth every large conurbation will have terraced houses, where parking is a nightmare and on-street charging a pipe dream. It will also have housing with driveways where charging at home is practical. There will always be families (and elderly people on there own for that matter) who live outside the major towns who have the option of drive or be stranded by local transport.

Try making a sensible transport policy that is acceptable to most with that mix. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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We also need to ask what happens when there isn’t any electricity? Storm Arwen might have been an anomaly but there were people who had no power for four or more days in freezing temperatures and they weren’t necessarily out in the sticks. Single minded moves to a single source of power is asking to fail. Working in IT, I still carry around a pen and paper.

Have a standby Petrol or a Diesel generator ! ! ! 2013 FL2 XS.
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In a storm arwen situation a power cut would likely put your local petrol station out of action, so follow the ev cars to a place that has electricity. If you have fuel that is, most ev drivers would have fully charged upon seeing the adverse weather forecast,. 200+mile range should get them to civilisation, maybe one will bring a jerry can back for you. At work
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I've often wondered if the EV lack of range could be solved by towing a small generator/battery trailer behind the car.

Not that practical, but probably a more realistic dream than a countrywide network of fast chargers with cheap electricity, or enough local parking spaces with facilities for electric charging at normal household prices.

To me it seems that (ignoring tax advantages as a private buyer) Battery Electric and Plug In Hybrid cars are still more expensive to buy AND run than a good old plain Diesel.

It even seems that you are encouraged not to keep your battery fully charged, so will be easily caught out by having to run a sudden errand outside your local area. (In a diesel you could just nip to Tesco's and top up in a few minutes.

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FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 76k+ miles) (MY2015)

range for unexpected trips yes and no, if really caught out then maybe a 20 minute charge would be enough to get you home.

I have the luxury of a second car so would use that in such unexpected events, otherwise plan ahead and set of on full charge, 240 ish miles is fairly decent in real life scenarios At work
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One suposes for on street parking for street fronted housing an overhead system could be used based on a hinged cantelever gantry.
Regarding the towing of a generator, one could carry a small one in the boot for emergencies, in Scotand for the recent COP 26 diesel generators were installed at some of the hotels to charge the courtesy cars the delegates used to travel the 30 odd miles to Glasgow, one assumes they were on shuttle runs as the Tesla's being used would have the range to make multiple journeys. It's great being politically green without being practical  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
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