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chrisuk



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npinks wrote:
They rate Bell auto services remap over on disco3 and RrSport Thumbs Up


I had my last car mapped by Pete @ Bell Auto's - top guy & he isnt like any of these companies who will map your car without knowing the first thing about it - that guy knows his stuff Smile

I want mine doing, but just bought a new set of wheels, and with a baby on the way, I'm skint !!!

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npinks



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Pete was in the LRO magazine the other month, showing a Defender that he has put in a TDV6 Auto from a D3

From what i have read/asked him he only have one remap for a FL2, were on a D3 you can ask for POWER or mpg IIRC Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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chrisuk



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I customised my map on the Leon, specifying at what RPM the power etc came in & how much. After I did they, Pete refined it & it was rouble free for 3 years (then I sold it for a FL2)

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Ralphk



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I have a auto and could someone tell me if to increase the power/torque etc. will trnslate down to the wheels or will it be absorbed by the torque converter and auto box..
Before anyone accuses me of being Doh I am a get in and drive it kind of guy without knowing much about the process. Ralph
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chicken george



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Ralphy the extra power will increase your van towing speed by around 10%, saving you atleast 2 hours per UK journey, and saving days on continental trips At work
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alex_pescaru



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Ralphk wrote:
I have a auto and could someone tell me if to increase the power/torque etc. will trnslate down to the wheels or will it be absorbed by the torque converter and auto box.

Yes, it will translate down to the wheels.
The power transfer inside the auto box's torque converter is dependant only on the output of the box's oil pump.
And this is directly dependant on the engine RPM, not the engine's power/torque.
But, it will be additional stress inside the torque converter and inside the box, generally speaking.
And beware, the FL2's autobox is designed to withstand only 450 Nm.
So any tuning that will increase the power/torque more than 12% will put in danger the box's internals.
I keep saying "power/torque" because they are linked together in formula by the engine's RPM.

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wannabe



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Sounds good Wink Searching for a Freely

May have found one Wink

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xtattsbox



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alex_pescaru wrote:
I keep saying "power/torque" because they are linked together in formula by the engine's RPM.


I knew I'd get it in somewhere...

"Torque and power are inescapably linked by the fact that horsepower equals torque (in ft-pounds) times RPM divided by 5250" Hi Darling, I'll be home in 10 mins. If I'm not back, please read this message again...

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alex_pescaru



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In order to not create confusion, the "/" between the power and torque words means "and/or" and not "divided by".
Therefore, "power and/or torque" and not "power divided by torque". Laughing

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npinks



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Ralphy

complicated things these remaps Laughing Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

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bilun777



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Alex,is the manual gearbox limited in handling more than 450 nm torque?

Post #72053 14th Jul 2010 4:06 pm
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alex_pescaru



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Surprisingly, the documentation says that the Getrag M66EHA50 manual transmission used on FL2 can handle only 380 Nm of torque... Confused Confused Confused
But, on a manual car, not the transmission itself is the problem as it is the clutch system. When dealing with a tuning, especially on turbo diesel engines, the clutch is the first thing to fail.

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Ralphk



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Alex,
Brilliant, many thanks for explaining the issue to me and finally confirming that I shall not be thinking of a remap or whatever for my auto box Freely. In truth the car has planty of power for what I need it for anyway but I just needed to get it out of my mind. My wife at least will be eternally grateful as it will allow more of our hard earned to be spent on hairdressers and pedicures etc.
Just a final note on this. Tough luck CG, nice try though.
Nick, this answer by Alex is so informative is there a way that you can make it easy for anybody else with the query to go straight to the explanation Ralph
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Post #72097 15th Jul 2010 8:18 am
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alex_pescaru



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Take into account that there aren't only performance tunings/remaps. There are also tunings for improving MPG.
The later ones are focusing on the injection timing and quantity for a better fuel consumption and rarely they increase power and/or torque. At most they are redistributing the power and/or torque over the RPM range to match the drivers style of driving. The driver may even have the impression that the car's driving easily, because the torque is moved on the RPM range where he/she is used to drive.
Those economy tunings are safe to do - if made by a company which knows what they're doing - and even prolongs the engine and transmision life. But this comes with a price: a more sluggish and not so "happy" engine.

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chrisuk



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Does anyone know the torque limit on the standard clutch ?

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