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Lightwater



Member Since: 21 Aug 2014
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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

Have pulled the car apart again to finish off the acoustic insulation over the boot area. Also chucked in some thin polyester batts in the rear ceiling, so the whole ceiling is now done. Also threaded the acoustic foam into the stiffening cross bars, using a piece of backing paper twice as long, doubled back, then pulling the end of the paper when the foam was in place. A bit tricky but the foam is in a reasonable position & the hollow beams filled fairly well.

Over the driver & front passenger I have stuck acoustic foam on the back side of ceiling lining panel. Also tried to fill gaps and hollows around the front & pushed the acoustic foam into the structural section where the windscreen meats the roof, above the sun visors. I have noticed on hot days that the sun visor area was a fair bit warmer than the main ceiling due to lack of insulation. So this should be better now, about as much as one can do within reason.

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Also doing the left C pillar which I hadn't done before as I had run out of material, & doing the B pillars & door sills. So that is probably about it. Ceiling is back in place, a bit tricky but I propped it up in the centre of the car until I screwed the 4 grab handles back on.

I have had 2 people comment that it is a quiet car. I said it is quiet, & not saying anything about the acoustic insulation before or after, to get some some unbiased views on a quiet car. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Post #372913 1st Jun 2019 10:50 am
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Boxbrownie



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

You have certainly been busy again Very Happy , I see you have lined the A Pillar trim with sound deadening, now I am not familiar with the layout exactly in the FL2 but it has curtain airbags, not sure if these extend down the A Pillars or just across the tumblehome, if there are bags under the A Pillar trims I’d advice removing the sound deadening on the trim, it is designed to stay in place but split and allow the bag out, if the trim does not split the bag will blow the trim off faster than a bullet and turn that few grams into a couple of kilos effectively, just a heads up rather than a “heads off” Shocked

Come on then......what’s the next mod? Thumbs Up Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Post #372914 1st Jun 2019 11:58 am
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Lightwater



Member Since: 21 Aug 2014
Location: Sydney Northern Beaches
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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

The A pillar cover has a snap line. I looked very carefully at the way the airbag would deploy so I would not become a late casualty of the French Revolution!

Mind you, it probably is the best way to go, if you have ever fainted from low blood, lopping ones head off sends a message in no uncurtain terms announcing low blood pressure, quite pleasant if you have every smashed your thumb with a hammer, becoming conscious again is not recommended, personal experience!

I made sure the acoustic foam was in 2 sections across the airbag panel snap line.

Some of the mildly fiddly bits on the B pillar lower panel. 12mm foam on the sides & 6mm foam on the wider face into the car.

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I went for a short drive & subject to personal bias, I think the car is a bit quieter again. The acoustic foam on the back side of the ceiling over the driver is probably the easiest to do for the most gain, as I was told by an acoustic expert, fix the areas first that are facing the ears. Not easy in a car but one can only try!

The rear seat belts there is a panel which snaps out for storing items not to be found, I have no idea what this space is actually for, so I filled it with acoustic foam.

Save the larger pieces of backing adhesive paper for later to re-stick on other pieces of acoustic foam to apply to in difficult corners.
 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Post #372943 2nd Jun 2019 6:39 am
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Boxbrownie



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

That’s good, I could not see any gap so thought to warn you.

After seeing all that effort sound proofing I really must get on and find an annoying little rattle which occasionally emanates from the sunroof shade/rear interior lamp position, sound like the “roller blind” is loose or lost its tension, then again on our short journeys compared to yours it cannot be half as annoying as a rattle that lasts few thousand kilometres constantly Laughing Regards

David

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Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Post #372946 2nd Jun 2019 8:34 am
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Sidthecat



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

Just turning the audio a little higher would deafen any annoying rattles surely Wink

Post #372950 2nd Jun 2019 9:38 am
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Lightwater



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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

After doing this, for the people who complain about the seat belt noise, pull the panel off, the lower B panel first. There is not a lot behind there, it is amazing the simplicity of design. You just need a star key bit for the screw behind the airbag logo. The logs around the car leaver out with a small butter knife or similar, they hide screws, that's all! With a bit of packing & making sure the hight adjuster still moves there is not a lot that can go wrong. The door seals around the door frame simply push back on to the body. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Post #372951 2nd Jun 2019 9:45 am
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Boxbrownie



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Sidthecat wrote:
Just turning the audio a little higher would deafen any annoying rattles surely Wink


Unfortunately not for us, we seldom listen to the radio in our vehicles and when we do it’s almost always the local station for traffic updates........I listen to music in a room which doesn’t resonate like a baked bean can when the volume is turned up Laughing Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Post #372955 2nd Jun 2019 11:48 am
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Sidthecat



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

Mr Brownie, it was intended tongue in cheek Wink . I appreciate that any little rattle is indeed annoying

Post #372977 2nd Jun 2019 5:59 pm
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Boxbrownie



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Sid, don’t worry I knew that......but in all seriousness we really don’t often have any music onunless it’s on between the chatting on the local station, boring old fart here Rolling with laughter

Besides Mrs BB doesn’t like Black Sabbath, LED Zeppelin et al at No.11..... Twisted Evil Wink Regards

David

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Post #372978 2nd Jun 2019 6:03 pm
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Boxbrownie



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That’s number 11 in the volume scale......not in Downing Street, then again don’t suppose Ozzie could do much worse with the economy Laughing Regards

David

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Post #372979 2nd Jun 2019 6:04 pm
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Lightwater



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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

We generally don't have the car radio on, turning into an old fart. Need to concentrate more on every increasing traffic & goat track roads. Also get a bit tired of loud exhausts due to owners tiny 21 digit!

Our economy is all smoke & mirrors (made in China), especially smoke from coal! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Boxbrownie



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Laughing

I was actually referring to No11 on the volume scale (as in Marshall amps) and wishing it not to get confused with No11 Downing Street as in the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and confusing him with Ozzie Osbourne of Black Sabbath one of the groups mentioned......Ozzie of course would be Aussie if referring to your lovely country Laughing

I hope I cleared that up Embarassed

Rolling with laughter Regards

David

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Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Post #373004 3rd Jun 2019 9:56 am
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Boxbrownie



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United Kingdom 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Lightwater wrote:


Our economy is all smoke & mirrors (made in China), especially smoke from coal!


Isn’t everybodies? Sad Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Post #373005 3rd Jun 2019 9:58 am
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Lightwater



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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

I have added stage 1 & covered it with stage 2 12mm foam on the door, covering where the mirror is mounted. Also lined the plastic trim with stage 1 & stage 2, layering up the 12mm foam a bit.

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Also ran 6mm foam about 15mm wide strip around the plastic trim. Don't know if this helps but bits here & there add up. Since I had to take the trim off I thought I may as well add some foam. Hoping this reduces some of the wind noise transmitted through the mirror mounting. I won't be testing this for the foreseeable future, but positioning myself in the centre of the car, without sitting on the gear stick! The driver's side mirror motor is quieter than the left side which I haven't done yet. One can still hear the motor but is sounds a bit deader & a little more removed. So not a bad result. If there is the same reduction with wind noise I will be happy. The tweeter trim doesn't have that hollow tinny sound any more.
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I put this foam behind the glove box & wrapped it around to the left of the glove box. 2 pieces of 12mm foam back to back so it can be removed if needed. Also stuck a few pieces of foam behind the trim left & right of the glove box.
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Also lined the driver's door handle with some 6mm foam, cutting a hole where one's fingers go into the inside of the handle, there is only about 0.5mm gap between the inner & out part of the 2 pieces of the handle when snapped back together. The handle sounds a touch less tinny.

Went for a short drive. Driving over the cat's eyes in the road, they are much quieter now with all the insulation. The sound is quite removed from the car.

I'm going to stick insulation on the outer edges of the rear seats as the is a gap under the seat which is bare metal, just waiting for some panel clips to turn up as I have broken a few in this area previously.

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6mm foam in the plastic trim around the door window. Edge of foam tapered a bit to fit the door.
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90% of the insulation is on the panel. I just added a bit more while the panel was off.
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 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Post #373256 8th Jun 2019 8:54 am
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Lightwater



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Ukraine 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

Filled in the centre trim with 2 thicknesses of 6mm foam. Where the speaker would sit for the premium hifi I reversed the foam so it is not sticky through the speaker vent. You just cut the foam to the overall size & then press the paper side of the foam onto the pattern to leave an impression on the backing paper.

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Second layer of 6mm foam.
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Where the speaker sits I stuck 6mm foam on the back of mass loaded vinyl.
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6mm foam on the dashboard side trims. A whisker thick at the front edge by about 1mm but it shoud compress, but not really noticeable.
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I bought 1 additional sheet of 12mm foam above & beyond the 1 extra sheet for just in case. So basically 2 extra sheets. It is amazing where it all goes & I have been pretty careful not wasting it. 1 sheet of 6mm is enough for the tight areas.

There is a bit of insulation on the back of the trim panel, but thought I would stuff a bit in here. Also stuck some 6mm on the back of the black trim panel. Removing the screw at the bottom gives one a bit more room. I doubled over the backing paper (a replacement spare piece saved) in a left & right half & held one side in place & pulled the paper down carefully. Once that side was stuck on a bit then I pulled down the other half. It worked quite well so the back side of the panel in completely covered.
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The main bit of foam here is 12mm & 6mm stuck back to back so the 18mm thick block is removable. Stuffed a few bits in the metal frame. It is very "ringy", the foam deadened it a bit.
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 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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