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ozjeff62



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Oh, a John Cadogan video? He's quite happy to do car reviews without ever driving the vehicle in question. He has to because no manufacturer will loan him a vehicle. And it's not because he tells it like he sees it.

As someone noted earlier he simply spouts populist propaganda that appeal to a certain demographic. He used to be a motoring journalist and even an editor of one of the big mags, but got the bullet.

He wishes he had the same respect that Peter Wherret had (although he'd be appalled at that, he dismisses everything Wherret ever said because of certain lifestyle choices) who really did stick it to the manufacturers on factual grounds. MY11 SD4 SE Auto

Post #385396 29th Jan 2020 8:12 am
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landgreen



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It's not true to say that "all" EU6 diesels suffered from diesel dilution - at least not to the extent seen on the 16-17MY Disco Sport and Evoque 2.0L. Interestingly, JLR denied using cheat devices within one working day of the EPA's announcement regarding VW ( https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-d...e-10109887 ). At the time use of defeat devices was believed to be the norm amongst diesel manufacturers so maybe the cars with the worst problems were the ones where they'd been hastily deleted?

Good explanation of architecture and hardware here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0bcrd7sve4l598/...d.pdf?dl=1

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Sperly



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Might explain why JLR were frantically searching for a defeat device engineer in July 2017 I guess....




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oldgeezer



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best advice is if you don't want oil changes every 3600 miles at 180 quid with Land rover and the risk of a failed balance shaft or timing chain then just leave the diesels completely alone

Ingenium equipped, diesel cars if you’re planning on driving forget it !

A pal of mine that works at a Dealer now rates the 2.2 Freelander engine as the best. He's done 17 Inqeniuim engines alone just since November last year. Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

Post #386389 13th Feb 2020 6:36 pm
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Tigger



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I take it that you realise that the petrol and Diesel engines share the same balance shafts?

https://www.jaguarheritage.com/jaguar-hist...m-engines/

While there’s definitely an issue with DPF’s in Ingenium equipped cars, who’s reported cam chain failures? 2011 FL2 TD4 XS Kosrae Green
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2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Lux Aintree Green
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Post #386409 13th Feb 2020 9:07 pm
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Aussie Battler



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this bloke is a clown


I have seen a few of his videos and they are all the same with the vehicle make changed and quite often at the end will tell you how good a certain Asian vehicle is (I cant remember which one and cant be bothered to watch him again ) . Doug




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dorsetfreelander



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Tigger wrote:
I take it that you realise that the petrol and Diesel engines share the same balance shafts?

https://www.jaguarheritage.com/jaguar-hist...m-engines/

While there’s definitely an issue with DPF’s in Ingenium equipped cars, who’s reported cam chain failures?


Yes but isn't the issue that the DPF related oil dilution is what's screwing the balance shafts. I guess that it's not an issue with the petrol versions. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto no real problems
FL2 S 08 reg 100k no problems
FL2 S 10 reg Gearbox, clutch, throttle body, drive shaft, steering reservoir
FL2 GS 60 reg xfer box, diff and wheel bearings
FL2 GS 11 reg gearbox ,hesitation, exhaust sensors, wiper stalk,
FL2 XS 14 reg SD4 Auto , door lock problem @ 29k

Post #386430 14th Feb 2020 10:43 am
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Tigger



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No, it’s not DPF related. The issue would appear to be to do with the needle roller bearings on the balance shaft running (amazingly) directly on the crankcase casting! Look at one of the illustrations on the link in my original post and see what I mean.

I understand that engine blocks are needing to be changed when the surface wears. I would be very pleased to be proven wrong on this Thumbs Up 2011 FL2 TD4 XS Kosrae Green
2012 FL2 TD4 HSE Firenze Red
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2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Lux Aintree Green
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Post #386445 14th Feb 2020 1:43 pm
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Tigger



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 2011 FL2 TD4 XS Kosrae Green
2012 FL2 TD4 HSE Firenze Red
2013 FL2 SD4 HSE Lux Firenze Red
2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Firenze Red
2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Lux Aintree Green
2017 FFRR SDV8 AB Aintree Green

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Bobupndown



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But is the cause of the balance shaft / bearing failures not related to the oil being diluted by diesel after DPF regens and not providing the lubrication required, hence the failures?
Or is this happening in petrol powered Ingeniums as well? Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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Boxbrownie



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^^^ Thumbs Up Regards

David

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

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Tigger



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As you’re giving such a big “thumbs up”, does this mean that you know an answer to Bobupndown’s question? 2011 FL2 TD4 XS Kosrae Green
2012 FL2 TD4 HSE Firenze Red
2013 FL2 SD4 HSE Lux Firenze Red
2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Firenze Red
2015 D4 SDV6 HSE Lux Aintree Green
2017 FFRR SDV8 AB Aintree Green

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dorsetfreelander



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Just had a look on the DS forum and picked this up

"Petrol is a great engine , I’ve the same engine in my FPace, I drove diesels for Decades , but wouldn’t touch a JLR ingenium diesel. You’ll notice no issues on here from the petrol owners , they’ve all driven off into bliss apart from using a bit more fuel they have great acceleration and no flat spots. " 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto no real problems
FL2 S 08 reg 100k no problems
FL2 S 10 reg Gearbox, clutch, throttle body, drive shaft, steering reservoir
FL2 GS 60 reg xfer box, diff and wheel bearings
FL2 GS 11 reg gearbox ,hesitation, exhaust sensors, wiper stalk,
FL2 XS 14 reg SD4 Auto , door lock problem @ 29k

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Sperly



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dorsetfreelander wrote:
Just had a look on the DS forum and picked this up

"Petrol is a great engine , I’ve the same engine in my FPace, I drove diesels for Decades , but wouldn’t touch a JLR ingenium diesel. You’ll notice no issues on here from the petrol owners , they’ve all driven off into bliss apart from using a bit more fuel they have great acceleration and no flat spots. "


I have to corroborate that. Whilst incredibly thirsty compared to my old Freelander, they are quiet, powerful and at times, you wonder if the engine has acttually stalled! No issues for me over the last 1500 miles...early days yet, granted, but so far so good.

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Lightwater



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The petrol engine in the Freelander is brilliant & with all the acoustic insulation I have stuffed in the car it is even better. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 1.2kW air compressor After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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