The company will temporarily cease production in April.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/jaguar...spartanntp

The bad news keeps coming.

Wasn’t this all previously dismissed as “Project Fear”? I’ve not heard that irritating phrase banded about for a while

Conveniently blaming Brexit for poor management, and poor delivery of a poorly engineered today's product.......seen it all before.....

Yes, the same old answers from everybody. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 76k+ miles) (MY2015)

Largered wrote:

The company will temporarily cease production in April.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/jaguar...spartanntp

Or the cynic would think that they are trying to deflect attention away from the fact that they have not hit their sales forecast for the year.... (again), and need to appease the TATA shareholders......(again)....before the business gets hived off....(again)

After all, it's not like they haven't had time to prepare for a worst case scenario now, is it?

SouthamFL2 wrote:

Conveniently blaming Brexit for poor management, and poor delivery of a poorly engineered today's product.......seen it all before.....

Never "assume" anything!

Naturally I include the government in that. It's a convenient way of "burying bad news", and hiding "poor management".

Have a look at JLR's last Financial Statement to Investors then tell me hand on heart that this organisation will survive long-term. Brexit, in the grand scheme of things is largely irrelevant. The vehicles themselves are what is driving sales figures through the floor, owing to lack of build quality, bad design and abject management. And that's just for starters!


Would you pay >£50k for a modern Land Rover that cannot get to more than 9000 miles before it needs servicing? And then be told "it's your driving style - we don't have to quantify that statement, but if you keep it between us, we'll come to a buy-back arrangement, then flog it on to another unsuspecting mug through our equally dodgy retailers." No.....thought not...

I feel the overall problem is that more time, effort, and money is spent on presentation and improving the perception of a problem than solving the problem itself.

It seems to have started back in the 1980's, when I remember, as a service engineer, being retrained to give me skills in improving the customers perception of the equipment and its reliability.
Note that at the same time we actually suffered redundancies and a reduction in the number of engineers available.

So lots of money is now being spent trying to improve our perception of 'diesel in engine oil', electric vehicles, or dare I say it Brexit (or not). I hope some money is going towards solving the problems.

Going back to the original thread title, I think that the whole car industry has a problem as we move into the electric/electronic age. Who will survive? Is this another big shake up, remember Triumph, Morris, Austin, etc. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 76k+ miles) (MY2015)

A few years ago I volunteered as a part time ambulance "First Responder" in my village so I had some first aid training, oxygen, CPR, Defib etc and if there was a 999 call in the area I would be called out to get there asap and often before the ambulance arrived. I was given a radio and told to put in various codes when I arrived on scene etc Often I wouldn't bother as you have more important things to think about. Then you would get calls from control asking exactly what time you arrived on scene. They were never interested in the state of the patient. It soon became obvious to me that my main purpose was to help them achieve the 8 minutes response target.
I eventually gave it up as a large percentage of the calls weren't life threatening anyway . 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

It looks like Nissan has joined the Brexit Exit.

Nissan announced in October 2016 it would build the next-generation X-Trail and Qashqai at Sunderland.

BBC business reporter Rob Young said: "The reasons for the investment cancellation are not known, but the industry as a whole has been warning Brexit uncertainty might hit investment.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-47102708

It looks as if our future car manufacturing is taking a knock.

It may be that until our hourly rate of pay falls below that of the Far East we will continue to loose actual and potential jobs. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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Yeh, it’s brexit....blame brexit...nowt to do with 2 faced Japanese company saying one thing and meaning another.


Don’t start me on Dutch onions......................

I note that Nissan were quite happy to accept the Government "bung" in the first place......will they be refunding this taxpayer money anytime soon?

Thought not......

Brexit has become the "one size fits all" excuse for poor management, as highlighted earlier. Once we are out, this "poor management" will have nowhere to hide, and frankly, the sooner that it happens, the better for all concerned - there are too many lazy PC-obsessed 'managers' in all types of business, hiding behind the coat tails of their EU masters, towing the EU line. And these are the businesses that are failing.....

Seen it all before with BL.......Socialism wrecks business (and society)

It’s not poor management . It’s quire the opposite .The first responsibility of any corporation is to it’s shareholders. Any business should react to market forces to maximise those profits . The U.K. will not be the biggest European market for those cars so they are merely hedging their bets on tarrifs . As Renault are a 45% stakeholder they will have considerable influence on where to build cars

Equally, we often criticise LR for poor products and vision , but their response to dealing with corporate profit is good management , cutting headcount and moving production to lower cost economies .

The fact that it may damage A local U.K. economy , does not enter into corporate thinking , all big manufacturers operating a complex supply chain said uncertainty would result a threat to their U.K. manufacturing bases.

It’s often quoted that NISSAN Sunderland is one of the most cost effective car plants in the world , but in real terms the cost of it’s exports could be 10% higher on WTO terms . Why would any Management invest in that possibility ? 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

Agree to a certain extent. However.

You are forgetting that without employees, there is no business, and with no business there cannot possibly be any shareholders.

Again, the EU dictates the whys, what's and wherefore's, and inept lemming British management allow it to happen. Again.

Perhaps Red Len has taken over the industry covertly after all?