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Richard A Thackeray

Member Since: 13 Jan 2024
Location: Wakefield, West Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 67

Batfastard wrote:
Bobupndown wrote:
The VW group TDIs are great for economy and put our thirsty Freelander 2's to shame.

But not as much fun lol

I think my Kodiaq's fairly fun!

20th Aug 2025 7:46 pm

Richard A Thackeray

Member Since: 13 Jan 2024
Location: Wakefield, West Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 67

Double post; so deleted

20th Aug 2025 7:46 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2147

BossBob wrote:
If you are looking for low fuel consumption and own a Land Rover you’ve got the wrong car! Though SWMBO’s run around, a Fiesta ST3, weighs less than half the weight of a Freelander 2 and can’t match it. Probably the wrong car as well but both are much more enjoyable to drive than a low powered econocar.

We switch to an EV to reduce our monthly fuel bill, as we do around 1300 miles per month at the moment.

Our Freelander would regularly return 37 MPG, which works out at 19.3 pence per mile at current fuel prices.

The EV is 1/10th of that, at 1.7 pence per mile in electricity, dispite it being 200 kg heavier than the Freelander, and 50% more powerful. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, the daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

21st Aug 2025 4:43 pm

BossBob

Member Since: 30 Sep 2010
Location: Bristol
Posts: 1509

2007 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

I never mentioned EV’s as I’m aware that a properly specified EV can be as much fun as a properly specified ICE car. My reference to econocars was aimed at the cramped uncomfortable under powered city run arounds that Greta and her like would prefer we drove if we had to drive at all.
My only thing against EV’s is nothing to do with the cars themselves, more the inadequate charging network once you get away from home and the price that you have to pay. I travelled 444 miles in 10 hours including stops for breaks and food twice in the last month. I’m led to believe that I could probably add another 2 hours each way to the journey time to allow for mid journey charging and that the cost per mile of some of the fast chargers is pretty well up with the cost per mile that my current oil burner achieves.
Well, I’m sorry but that does make a long day fairly impractical and just as expensive. We did have fun watching the ev pilots trying to get the chargers working and then standing around waiting. I certainly didn’t see any of them who parked up around the same time as we did leave before us and we’d stopped to have lunch!

21st Aug 2025 6:04 pm

Boxa

Member Since: 01 Apr 2024
Location: Coventry
Posts: 154

2013 Freelander 2 TD4 Dynamic Auto Santorini Black

What EV owners always forget to mention when talking about the very low cost per mile is the massive depreciation on the vehicle or the leasing cost per month. im sure if that was factored in the cost per mile would increase dramatically. Just Saying

21st Aug 2025 7:57 pm

Just a driver

Member Since: 29 Nov 2021
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 506

2009 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Stornoway Grey

With 2 tier tightening the screws of everything to get more money out of everyone, I doubt people will be spending huge sums on anything let alone a new ev. Another caravan dealer shut this week in Cumbria, I think this is a sign of less money being spent.

21st Aug 2025 7:58 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2147

BossBob wrote:
I never mentioned EV’s as I’m aware that a properly specified EV can be as much fun as a properly specified ICE car. My reference to econocars was aimed at the cramped uncomfortable under powered city run arounds that Greta and her like would prefer we drove if we had to drive at all.
My only thing against EV’s is nothing to do with the cars themselves, more the inadequate charging network once you get away from home and the price that you have to pay. I travelled 444 miles in 10 hours including stops for breaks and food twice in the last month. I’m led to believe that I could probably add another 2 hours each way to the journey time to allow for mid journey charging and that the cost per mile of some of the fast chargers is pretty well up with the cost per mile that my current oil burner achieves.
Well, I’m sorry but that does make a long day fairly impractical and just as expensive. We did have fun watching the ev pilots trying to get the chargers working and then standing around waiting. I certainly didn’t see any of them who parked up around the same time as we did leave before us and we’d stopped to have lunch!

The the right EV is almost effective as an ICE car at long distances, and at lower cost if the correct charging provider is used.

We regularly do long distances in our EV. Twice last month we drove from our home in Cornwall, up to London and back in the same day. These were almost 600 mile round trips, which were completed in around 11 hours of journey time, including stops.

Total charging time would be around an hour for a 600 mile round trip, but we'd be stopping anyway, so put the car on charge before we have a comfort break and a coffee. Our car goes from 20 to 82% in less than 30 minutes at very cheap Tesla supercharger, or 20 to 85% in under 20 minutes at a more powerful but more expensive Ionity charger.
If we're doing a road trip, we always fully charge at home first, so the first 250 miles plus are at a very cheap rate. After that, it's down to public charging to charge it. There really isn't an issue with charging, at least not where we need to charge.

EVs take a lot less time to charge than the media makes out.

As for driving an econobox, no thanks. I'll stick with my much more comfortable, capable, and spacious EV. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, the daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

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21st Aug 2025 8:03 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2147

Just a driver wrote:
With 2 tier tightening the screws of everything to get more money out of everyone, I doubt people will be spending huge sums on anything let alone a new ev. Another caravan dealer shut this week in Cumbria, I think this is a sign of less money being spent.

I don't believe a caravan dealer closing is a sign of less money, just less people buying caravans, which has been in decline for 20 years now.

There are plenty of new cars being sold, petrol and electric, electric is increasing month on month, petrol is pretty even, and diesel is falling off a cliff.

Most new cars are now sold on company lease, PCP, or salary sacrifice schemes
The price of second hand cars is increasing, again ICE or EV. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, the daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

21st Aug 2025 8:11 pm

Nodge68

Member Since: 15 Jul 2020
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2147

Boxa wrote:
What EV owners always forget to mention when talking about the very low cost per mile is the massive depreciation on the vehicle or the leasing cost per month. im sure if that was factored in the cost per mile would increase dramatically. Just Saying

EV depreciation is in line more or less with conventional ICE cars. All cars loose huge amounts of money the moment they're driven off the forecourt, and always have, it's nothing new or EV specific.

If someone is buying a new car now, and has the ability to charge an EV at home, then an ICE car makes much less financial sense than an EV, especially if someone does average mileage per year. We do twice the average mileage, and an EV works for us just fine. So much so we're looking for a second EV to replace our final ICE car. Hyundai Ioniq 5 Ultimate. The family car.
2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Gone.
2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE. Gone.
Audi A5 convertible, the daily driver.
1972 Hillman Avenger GT, the project.

21st Aug 2025 8:15 pm

RealBeale

Member Since: 13 Jun 2016
Location: Birmingham Great Barr
Posts: 961

2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Sumatra Black

Yeah, well I don't care about your high miles per gallon.
Best I've ever had was 31 and the worst was 7. Yes, that's right 7 !
The joys of the i6 , I suppose !

21st Aug 2025 11:09 pm

Lightwater

Member Since: 21 Aug 2014
Location: Sydney Northern Beaches
Posts: 5075

2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

It's frightening how much fuel you go through crawling around on tracks. The problem in outback Australia it is also a long way to get fuel. You need to calculate your fuel usage for all types of terrain to avoid being stuck in the middle of nowhere. We carry an additional 50 litres which gave us a lot more flexibility being able to go down difficult remote side tracks. We were always calculating fuel.

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Also being able to repair flat tyres before they get destroyed. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

22nd Aug 2025 12:26 am

Lightwater

Member Since: 21 Aug 2014
Location: Sydney Northern Beaches
Posts: 5075

Nodge68 wrote:
If someone is buying a new car now, and has the ability to charge an EV at home,

In 2016 we put electricity to our garage. Our block of Units didn't have power in the garages. We also installed 3 phase while at it.

Would like solar, but due to very old roof, covering it with solar panels would be a pain when (not if) roof tiles need replacing. About $70,000 to replace the roof when we last looked. Also how do you share the solar input fairly between all owners. Also there is not many square metres per owner.

Australia is now looking at per km charge for EVs as they are contributing less to road maintenance. Probably will be introduced quicker than we realise now.

In Australia petrol & diesel has $0.516 per litre tax*. Then on top of that is 10% GST (VAT) on the retail price. So a fair bit of tax being collected. Actually still not enough to maintain roads.

Australia has a lot of road mileage per capita as we are so thinly spread across a massive land area.

As the percentage of EV to ICE increases, how are roads going to be paid for.

Another solar, EV, home electricity workaround for some. If you have a lot of solar & your EV can power the house. You could use your EV at night as a giant battery. So even less tax being collected.

*Aviation fuel $0.03556 per litre plus 10% GST (VAT).

Australia has a flat 10% GST across everything that is taxed other than a few things which have a "double" tax. It would also be impossible to tax electricity for EVs at a higher rate at home. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

22nd Aug 2025 1:01 am

Just a driver

Member Since: 29 Nov 2021
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 506

Nodge68 wrote:
Just a driver wrote:
With 2 tier tightening the screws of everything to get more money out of everyone, I doubt people will be spending huge sums on anything let alone a new ev. Another caravan dealer shut this week in Cumbria, I think this is a sign of less money being spent.

I don't believe a caravan dealer closing is a sign of less money, just less people buying caravans, which has been in decline for 20 years now.

There are plenty of new cars being sold, petrol and electric, electric is increasing month on month, petrol is pretty even, and diesel is falling off a cliff.

Most new cars are now sold on company lease, PCP, or salary sacrifice schemes
The price of second hand cars is increasing, again ICE or EV.

I have to admit that there is an obsession with getting into debt or increasing debt under various schemes,lease, hp, etc, but the bubble will burst it always does. The piper has to be paid.

22nd Aug 2025 8:11 am

Richard A Thackeray

Member Since: 13 Jan 2024
Location: Wakefield, West Riding of Yorkshire
Posts: 67

[quote="Lightwater"]

Nodge68 wrote:

In Australia petrol & diesel has $0.516 per litre tax*. Then on top of that is 10% GST (VAT) on the retail price. So a fair bit of tax being collected. Actually still not enough to maintain roads.

Australia has a lot of road mileage per capita as we are so thinly spread across a massive land area.

As the percentage of EV to ICE increases, how are roads going to be paid for.

*Aviation fuel $0.03556 per litre plus 10% GST (VAT).

Australia has a flat 10% GST across everything that is taxed other than a few things which have a "double" tax. It would also be impossible to tax electricity for EVs at a higher rate at home.

I filled up my Kodiaq yesterday; diesel, which was at £1.38/litre
One of the conversion sites, equates that to Aus $2.88

We also have double taxation on fuel
The fuel duty/tax is 52.95p/litre, which is approximately Aus $1.10!!
PLUS, our VAT (value added tax), on items it's charged on is 20%

22nd Aug 2025 8:22 am

Lakelander

Member Since: 07 Nov 2019
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 275

2013 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Orkney Grey

Why are we talking about Skodas on a Freelander forum! FL2 SD4 XS 2013 Orkney Grey

22nd Aug 2025 9:15 am

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