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Tigertim



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Reading this subject I’m now doubting what I did …. Both me and the Mrs have a FL2 and I have done the cambelt and pump on both, the first one around three years ago then one last year on the later one . I did put a very light smear of gasket sealer on the mating surface on both occasions “just to be sure it wouldn’t leak”….Only last week the mrs said coolant low message had come on and I just thought maybe due to the rather hot temperatures we’ve had it just needed a very small top up .
Next week we’re doing a 500 mile round trip so yesterday I set to and changed the oil ,filters and fuel filter and to my horror noticed a pink residue line running down from the coolant pump area and a wet dew drop about to drip off , so I do have a coolant leak and pretty sure it’s going to be the pump, so looks like another cam belt change with a new pump job to do again . When I do it I’ll take pics and share what I find but I’m now thinking I ruined the gasket with the sealant ….

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Telco



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Tigertim, as Grimdog states above, the engine block coolant drain is an integral part of the pump assembly, have you checked that it's not leaking from that?

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Tigertim



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Thanks for that info I will remove the covers for a closer look before I buy another kit ….

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Tigertim



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Well certainly looking like gasket has gone didn’t think I’d have to do this job again Sad




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MRRover75



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"Conflicting advice" is the keyword for this thread Very Happy Very Happy

As mentioned, I am supporting the theory that there is a thin NBR coating on the black metal gasket, or some kind of heat activated sealant which is seen on some head gasket shims. That means that it should be mounted dry.

If you look at this production wize, fitting a dry gasket would be a lot more time saving on a production line than fiddling with RTV sealant.

The two above supports the idea of fitting it dry.


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Bobupndown



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So the general consensus of opinion is fit the gasket dry......or with sealant!🤪 Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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jules



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In view if the above comments I thought I'd check inside the box of my Gates Cambelt kit (KP25633XS). It has a metal gasket with a black coating.
No instructions are included so I went to the Gates website.
Its a complete PITA- You have to register and then insert a ridiculous 30 digit code every time you wish to gain access to the instructions.
But it turned out to be not only time consuming but also a complete waste of time !!
The only instructions pertaining to this kit are for the removal of the camshaft CHAIN and camshafts themselves. Nothing whatsoever about the actual timing belt/waterpump/pulleys kit.
So thanks Gates - that was as much use as a chocolate teapot.

I have searched on-line but can find no installation instructions for this Gates kit.
Anyone been successful ?

EDIT: The 30 digit code is for counterfeit detection Jules


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jules



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Found Gatestechzone.com which has only generic instructions for replacing water pumps...

"Old gaskets and seals should be replaced by new ones. Carefully follow installation instructions. Only apply sealant if specifically recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. "...

More chocolate teapots from Gates

I've emailed Gates customer services about the water pump gasket. Jules

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jules



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Dayco official video says put RTV on both sides of gasket...

2:58 Jules

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MRRover75



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Found that one a few days ago. Another conflicting advice as the LR workshop manual do not mention any RTV sealer and the Haynes manual the same....

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jules



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I'm dizzy from going around in so many circles.
Banging Head Jules

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MRRover75



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Telco



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Jules, Did Gates customer services respond to your query?

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I Like Chips



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I have the solution. Monday Wednesday Friday fit it dry, Tuesday Thursday put some sealant on. Saturday and Sunday put sealant on the outer face only.

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jules



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Telco wrote:
Jules, Did Gates customer services respond to your query?


No, they have ignored me completely.

I will attempt to contact them again. Their on-line customer support only allows a limited number of characters in the message - not helpful really.

Gates customer services is in Belgium - nothing in the UK Jules

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