Sidthecat wrote:

Interesting read - I'm in that 'should we stick or change' situation with ULEZ rapidly approaching us in October. My problem is that we have no parking at home so no facility to charge - nearest points are at local retail park about 5 miles away
How we're all supposed to be going electric heaven only knows

Public charges are generally much more expensive than home charging, my local bp charge is 35p/kw. I used it as a test, putting £1s worth in. At 35p you might as well drive an ice car, unless tax etc reasons come into the mix also

Ok you can charge for free at tesco etc , but at a 7kw charge rate your not going to gain much unless you tend to shop for 5 or 6 hours at a time At work
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pinhead wrote:

Sidthecat wrote:

Interesting read - I'm in that 'should we stick or change' situation with ULEZ rapidly approaching us in October. My problem is that we have no parking at home so no facility to charge - nearest points are at local retail park about 5 miles away
How we're all supposed to be going electric heaven only knows

Your case is the biggest issue for adoption of EV's
I can see properties with off street parking becoming a lot more valuable in future because of this
It all depends on how many miles you do as to weather its possible to go ev
Can you charge at your workplace?

Retired recently - my main concern is not so much about mileage etc but the ULEZ coming into force late-October. The nearest 'entry' point to me is the south circular just two miles away which would impact on some of the shopping parks we use, and routes we take on days out, travelling and such. It's possible to shop elsewhere and take different routes but it's all a bit of a pita really
Our option I suppose is to buy a newer 'qualifying' vehicle or self-charging hybrid. All costs money . . . . .

chicken george wrote:

Public charges are generally much more expensive than home charging, my local bp charge is 35p/kw. I used it as a test, putting £1s worth in. At 35p you might as well drive an ice car, unless tax etc reasons come into the mix also

Ok you can charge for free at tesco etc , but at a 7kw charge rate your not going to gain much unless you tend to shop for 5 or 6 hours at a time

Sidthecat wrote:

pinhead wrote:

Sidthecat wrote:

Interesting read - I'm in that 'should we stick or change' situation with ULEZ rapidly approaching us in October. My problem is that we have no parking at home so no facility to charge - nearest points are at local retail park about 5 miles away
How we're all supposed to be going electric heaven only knows

Your case is the biggest issue for adoption of EV's
I can see properties with off street parking becoming a lot more valuable in future because of this
It all depends on how many miles you do as to weather its possible to go ev
Can you charge at your workplace?

Retired recently - my main concern is not so much about mileage etc but the ULEZ coming into force late-October. The nearest 'entry' point to me is the south circular just two miles away which would impact on some of the shopping parks we use, and routes we take on days out, travelling and such. It's possible to shop elsewhere and take different routes but it's all a bit of a pita really
Our option I suppose is to buy a newer 'qualifying' vehicle or self-charging hybrid. All costs money . . . . .

I think that we are drifting a long way from the original post, that of a Mitsi PHEV vs DS ICE

There are people with a view that electric is the way to go and no amount of common sense will change their minds.
There are also some that wouldn't have an electric car if they were giving them away , and a few with an open mind.

I think that this discussion deserves a new topic. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Interesting that the OT PHEV (sort of) falls into the same category as I had the RX45O in- and I swung by my local Volvo dealer today— Volvo’s view for my case was the same on their plug-in XC60 & XC90 as Chuckalicious was saying about his OT PHEV- not the best option in my particular case- go for a smaller engined diesel -fair enough….

Mind you, my personal preferences are not helping - Many have said go Tesla , I drove a model S onto a busy M1 in amongst the HGV’s and remained convinced that scraping my btm along the floor when compared to the SUV driving position was not for me. Neither was the price point on their bigger model X… where doing the 30k miles in a year on a new Model X would depreciate it by more than a 2014 30,000 mile RX450h ( albeit older model/shape) to buy outright… And I won’t burn that buy price difference in diesel or petrol, so I reckon I have my answer- hope my Freely breaks 175,000 miles without trouble, that’ll be cheapest of all for me! Lexus RX450H - 500 mile a week commuter- I just couldn’t trust in a newer RRS or DS for that….
2009 Freelander 2 HSE... 155K miles, we’ve done 135k of those, has done brilliantly on the commute and staying firmly put as car two in the household
2002 Jaguar XK8 Coupe... fun, fast, ours for 12 years and owes us nothing - so staying with us too…

Andy131 wrote:

I think that we are drifting a long way from the original post, that of a Mitsi PHEV vs DS ICE

There are people with a view that electric is the way to go and no amount of common sense will change their minds.
There are also some that wouldn't have an electric car if they were giving them away , and a few with an open mind.

I think that this discussion deserves a new topic.

I know what you mean, but I do agree this has veered away from if the OL is a good move to the pros and cons of EVs. I haven't helped with that

It's all good chat though  Learned to drive in 2011.
Bought a Micra - great little car
"Upgraded" to Kia Sportage - hated it
Proper upgrade to FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - tailgate paint issues, fuel gauge rewire, transfer box failure at 36k miles, clutch at 60k
Reconditioned diff at 70k ish
Sold at 84k and now on a DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental

If it helps my mate had a mitsi phev, it kept going into sleep mode whilst driving and shuttting down.
After many roadside recoveries and courtesy cars he offloaded the thing. Mitsubishi had no idea how to fix it.
He says the only good thing is that he now knows the first names of all the local AA guys At work
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"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

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Never a good thing to read :-/ however hopefully those are few and far between. Learned to drive in 2011.
Bought a Micra - great little car
"Upgraded" to Kia Sportage - hated it
Proper upgrade to FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - tailgate paint issues, fuel gauge rewire, transfer box failure at 36k miles, clutch at 60k
Reconditioned diff at 70k ish
Sold at 84k and now on a DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental

It sounds like either your calcs are out, your paying far too much for your sparks or the OL is very inefficient using the electric motor.
A 20 mile trip in our i3 would cost about 77p @ 15.4p per kwh on the granny charger, it runs normally at about 4 miles per kwh of juice.

I cannot imagine the OL would be £3.50p for 20 miles, sounds expensive.

We test drove one when they first came out but we were put off by the auto transmission being CVT, and the strange engine noise and power delay of those types of transmission (same as the Toyota Hybrid stuff).

They are nice cars, and very practical, roomy and most of all very reliable  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

Think you're misunderstanding - the Discovery Sport would have cost me roughly £3.50 for the 20 mile trip. The Outlander does that and more in one charge which costs about £1.30.

The Outlander is also significantly larger than I i3 (I think) so far heavier so you wouldn't expect the same miles per kWh. Learned to drive in 2011.
Bought a Micra - great little car
"Upgraded" to Kia Sportage - hated it
Proper upgrade to FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - tailgate paint issues, fuel gauge rewire, transfer box failure at 36k miles, clutch at 60k
Reconditioned diff at 70k ish
Sold at 84k and now on a DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental

Aha OK. Gotcha…..thought that was a bit off…..unfortunately weight/size/etc makes only a small difference to KWh, it’s how well the vehicles battery management and motor efficiency is designed makes the big difference.

Funnily enough I just went for some bread and while waiting outside the bakery a chap in a Golf asks a few questions about the i3 as he was leaving, main,y range and stuff but when I said it costs about 3p a mile to run he almost fell out of his seat…..I found out why as he drove off he was driving an R32 Golf, must have been the bit about me saying the 0-60 is seven seconds, his R32 is only half a second faster  Regards

David

Lovely i6 has now gone, but not me......

Please let me know if anything in my post offends you, as I may wish to offend you again......

filled up the car today, outside my house using solar energy, what could be easier? At work
At home

"I can't always believe facts I read on the web" - Charles Dickens

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