That was a shock Rog to hear you'd got shut of the D4 , still tempted by one myself . Or maybe an early Disco sport or last of the FL2's .

Mark 2009 FL2 TD4 SE (Sadly gone)
2007 FL2 TD4 GS (The wifes , gone after 8 great years)
2012 FL2 SD4 SPORT LE(Gone and missing it)
2015 DISCOVERY SPORT 2.2SD4 HSE (For now ?)
2014 Ford Bmax 1.0 ecoboost ( Gone but what next )
2014 Ford Focus 2.0tdci Zetec S

Hello Blueboy, really thinking about this I sort of agree with Axle why sell, my thoughts are that you already have a car that you know very well and any major failure is inevitable but just think that your next car although how attractive it might be it could be someone’s failure. Sorry to sound harsh but there are so many second hand cars out there which are troublesome.

Here is an example but a lesson learned. A very good friend of mine lost his pride and joy in the Echo arena carpark fire on New Year’s Eve a couple of years ago. Can’t help that he lost it that way a freelander 2 HSE 2009 auto he had from new as his father had spent the lump sum of his pension to buy the car then through a un answered event his dad passed away. I can remember this very well. He offered me the car but I said it would be a fitting tribute to your dad as the car had sentimental value.

The car has obviously been destroyed but the insurance didn’t pay the true value so Andy went to look at many lr2s and decided on a particular one from a dealer not LR. All looked good, history, low miles, no dings or damaged wheels,3 month warranty. Nothing on HPI in fact it had a RAC inspection.. The paperwork showed all this so who do you trust?
The warranty was not what he had thought. When the sun had shone on the car it wouldn’t start? When it did you couldn’t drive it, how strange. Took it back No joy from the dealer. Eventually the car was inspected by an insurance company and it was found to be a cut and shut chassis which had been cheaply done and I remember looking at the cabling behind the dash, it was awful.
The dealer was sued and has now stopped trading. My dear friend Andy although being still in shock bought a car from another not LR dealer “WHAT” I said. This time Andy had his own inspection done by the AA, nothing showed a warning siren. All was good. The car actually looked in excellent condition The dealer even had a full landrover dealer service done, all the oils, even the cambelt. What could go wrong?

Well, the previous owner had a tracker fitted to it and kept a key or had one cut.Once upon a time, Unknown to Andy the previous owner had gone to prison and on his release he went looking for his car and drove it away.

Just imagine informing your insurance “ Car taken with a key”. No insurance.
Fortunately a near neighbour had a camera fitted to the front of his truck, not a dash cam, the camera recorded this event and eventually Andy received his money back.

He now drives a Skoda Octavia 4x4 who’s going to steal that one?

Never ever trust what you see it could be something in disguise or buy from a main dealer with a proper warranty and a train of contact.

Have a serious think before you part with your current car.

RogB wrote:

ive just gone from a 2011 D4 to a 2018 Kia Sportage (dont ask, really miss the V6 but not the anxiety it causes )

so far im pretty impressed with the Kia, its the 1.7D '3' model with 6 speed manual. Its a lot nippier than i imagined it would be, and quite torquey for a smaller engine. Feels pretty solid and is very well equipped.
Its been in for a service under the previous owners service plan, so i asked the dealer what the cost of the next 40k service would be. He said its a big service and expensive so i waited with baited breath while he checked and came back with £329 ...... less than the cost of minor service on a Land Rover and I can put a 2 year service plan on it for £389 including MOT's so whats not to love.
During the service they looked at the sunroof which was slow to close, and will be fitting a new sunroof frame under warranty with no arguments so im impressed with that too. LR would have argued til they were blue in the face.
As for MPG im getting high 30's round town, ive not had a chance at a longer run out yet due to CV19 restrictions but im sure ill get close up to 50mpg without being too cautious.

davyboy wrote:

Hello Blueboy, really thinking about this I sort of agree with Axle why sell, my thoughts are that you already have a car that you know very well and any major failure is inevitable but just think that your next car although how attractive it might be it could be someone’s failure. Sorry to sound harsh but there are so many second hand cars out there which are troublesome.

Here is an example but a lesson learned. A very good friend of mine lost his pride and joy in the Echo arena carpark fire on New Year’s Eve a couple of years ago. Can’t help that he lost it that way a freelander 2 HSE 2009 auto he had from new as his father had spent the lump sum of his pension to buy the car then through a un answered event his dad passed away. I can remember this very well. He offered me the car but I said it would be a fitting tribute to your dad as the car had sentimental value.

The car has obviously been destroyed but the insurance didn’t pay the true value so Andy went to look at many lr2s and decided on a particular one from a dealer not LR. All looked good, history, low miles, no dings or damaged wheels,3 month warranty. Nothing on HPI in fact it had a RAC inspection.. The paperwork showed all this so who do you trust?
The warranty was not what he had thought. When the sun had shone on the car it wouldn’t start? When it did you couldn’t drive it, how strange. Took it back No joy from the dealer. Eventually the car was inspected by an insurance company and it was found to be a cut and shut chassis which had been cheaply done and I remember looking at the cabling behind the dash, it was awful.
The dealer was sued and has now stopped trading. My dear friend Andy although being still in shock bought a car from another not LR dealer “WHAT” I said. This time Andy had his own inspection done by the AA, nothing showed a warning siren. All was good. The car actually looked in excellent condition The dealer even had a full landrover dealer service done, all the oils, even the cambelt. What could go wrong?

Well, the previous owner had a tracker fitted to it and kept a key or had one cut.Once upon a time, Unknown to Andy the previous owner had gone to prison and on his release he went looking for his car and drove it away.

Just imagine informing your insurance “ Car taken with a key”. No insurance.
Fortunately a near neighbour had a camera fitted to the front of his truck, not a dash cam, the camera recorded this event and eventually Andy received his money back.

He now drives a Skoda Octavia 4x4 who’s going to steal that one?

Never ever trust what you see it could be something in disguise or buy from a main dealer with a proper warranty and a train of contact.

Have a serious think before you part with your current car.

I've a 2014 that I bought in 2017 at just 17000 miles. It's now increased to 76000 as I was doing a longer commute for most of that time. I'm now down to just 18 miles a day round trip to work so miles will increase much more slowly. I intend to keep it for as long as possible.  Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

...... its finding one of them that's the difficult part.

That's true even when you buy new. Having had a series of new company vehicles that were a right pain until they settled down, it's even worse now, cars are released with the software no-where near ready, and they get updated for a year or two until the platform becomes stable. SOTA anyone?

SOTA is LRs answer to crappy software, the Software Over The Air, updates the software usually at night while you are tucked up in bed, it gives you a nice message in the morning to let you know to expect more bugs. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Could one of you very knowledgeable people tell me what I need (type of & quantity) oil wise for the gearbox drive units axle/Haldex etc. Maybe something I should address on the next service.

Not had an automatic before (if I buy one) are these more problematic ? is there more involved with looking after auto than manual.

SOTA, sounds like Windows 10 updates on four wheels. It’s bad enough when your computer doesn’t want to start up or shut down without some message about updates being installed. I’m glad my 07 FL2 isn’t going to get any updates anytime soon!

Are auto's problematic?
In my experience manuals are nothing but trouble, towing a 1,500kg trailer for 50,000 a year, or just a heavily loaded van for similar mileage - seemed to be in for clutches or gearboxes every five minutes. OK not Freelander2, but my Freelander auto was abused and was still smiling 185,000 miles later. You do need to change the oil but it's not as strait forward as a manual. if you drop the oil you will only get a litre or so, the box holds 7 litres.
So you have two options, every service drop the gearbox oil (1.5L?), and treat it as a partial oil change.
Or every 60-70,000 miles do a complete flush and change - will probably take 11-12 litres to do properly.
The front PTU box would benefit from an oil change every now and again (50k?), I changed the rear diff oil every service and was still on the original diff. The haldex also likes oil and a filter changes some would say every 50K, but maybe more often wouldn't hurt.

I may be a little hard on SOTA, the software on my DS is noticeably/massively better than when I first bought it, many of the changes are to keep up with the iPhone and android software changes which seem to happen every other month. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

blueboy wrote:

Could one of you very knowledgeable people tell me what I need (type of & quantity) oil wise for the gearbox drive units axle/Haldex etc. Maybe something I should address on the next service.

Not had an automatic before (if I buy one) are these more problematic ? is there more involved with looking after auto than manual.

blueboy wrote:

Could one of you very knowledgeable people tell me what I need (type of & quantity) oil wise for the gearbox drive units axle/Haldex etc. Maybe something I should address on the next service.

Not had an automatic before (if I buy one) are these more problematic ? is there more involved with looking after auto than manual.

Strange that consensus here seems to be autos are better than manuals, the gearbox issue threads seem to be always regarding autos.... 2014 Freelander 2 TD4 Manual Dynamic
1956/7 88" Series One Land Rover
1956/7 88" Series One Land Rover - undergoing restoration

TooBlue wrote:

I would just stick to the manufacturers recommendation for servicing, and not mess about with it unless you have a fault.
Others will disagree and like to replace perfectly good oil for no reason.

Autos should be more reliable than manual.

TooBlue wrote:

blueboy wrote:

Could one of you very knowledgeable people tell me what I need (type of & quantity) oil wise for the gearbox drive units axle/Haldex etc. Maybe something I should address on the next service.

Not had an automatic before (if I buy one) are these more problematic ? is there more involved with looking after auto than manual.

I would just stick to the manufacturers recommendation for servicing, and not mess about with it unless you have a fault.
Others will disagree and like to replace perfectly good oil for no reason.

Autos should be more reliable than manual.

Why would you want to make expensive components fail before their time, simply to save a few quid on fluids.  2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Soon to be sold.
Hyundai Ionic 5 Ultimate on order.
Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE.

I makes me chuckle every time a member quotes “ full Land Rover service history” if they only knew