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axle



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Post #391067 11th May 2020 12:10 pm
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Lightwater



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Luckily I'm retired but I have guilty of going to work sick & it was expected that you went to work! Governments are going to have to enact legislation for sick leave across all employment arrangements so other people are safe & you don't get fired just incase you maybe sick with Coronavirus.


'we need to permanently drop the 'soldier on' mindset and stop going to work sick.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-12/...e/12225462

While we might align ourselves with the Australian concept of chucking a sickie, in a pre-COVID world many of us have admitted to going to work while sick.

But the coronavirus pandemic has upended many of our regular practices, and our Chief Health Officer Brendan Murphy wants us to drop our "soldier on" mindset around work — permanently.

"I think we will see a permanent change in that sort of cavalier attitude of going to work when you've got a cold or a flu,"


"Even [if you] have a scratchy throat, you won't want to go into work, around concern about potentially having [coronavirus] or spreading it.

"And certainly other people won't want to be around somebody who is appearing unwell." ' Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Lightwater, thanks for that linked article - the embedded R number graph and the page it links through to, giving a comparison of R numbers across the globe, is one of the clearest pieces of CV info I’ve seen! 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
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Post #391091 12th May 2020 7:23 am
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As the report says, millions are falling through the safety net, so a sniffle and you lose your income and if it's a small employer or you're a contractor you're income and job. No money and you are out on your ear.

It's never going to fly.

I see the opposite end of the scale, an employee who had a heart attack, spent 12 months off sick on full pay, came back for "light duties" for a month then retired early. Or new mothers who spend 6 months off on full pay, 6 months on half pay, back in for a few weeks and then decide that they want to be stay at home mothers. Employees who "haven't had their quota of sickies this year". Surgery = 12 weeks off sick, for an office worker!

By all means if you have a cough or a sniffle, wear a face covering to protect your colleges, but don't stay at home and expect the same colleges to carry you and be thankful that you are at home watching daytime TV Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
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Post #391099 12th May 2020 9:00 am
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Society should be asking the question, "Why are people starting to gather together to be "at work" when working from home has been made to function and has so many benefits". I think the energy and resources that are being applied to the back to work effort should instead be used to improve the already established work from home. Everyone can spread it - Anyone can catch it. Stay home - the life you save can be your own!

Post #391100 12th May 2020 9:06 am
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Andy131 wrote:
Or new mothers who spend 6 months off on full pay, 6 months on half pay, back in for a few weeks and then decide that they want to be stay at home mothers. Employees who "haven't had their quota of sickies this year". Surgery = 12 weeks off sick, for an office worker!



My neighbour is a teacher and said that there is a variation on this theme where you time your pregnancy to coincide with the end of the long summer holiday. It plays havoc with school budgets as they have to get supply teachers in . She told me of someone who had a couple of kids and played the system for a couple of years.

As for sickies quotas I once had a government agency as a client where people booked sick leave in advance ! Apparently the Union had negotiated it. Shocked 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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Post #391101 12th May 2020 9:28 am
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I note masks are now a good ideal ! What changed ?

Post #391115 12th May 2020 3:05 pm
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Masks - no
a face covering - yes

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Post #391116 12th May 2020 3:37 pm
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We were constantly told they were a waste of time so how can you need one ?

Post #391120 12th May 2020 4:33 pm
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. . . because the wind is now in a different direction. Everyone can spread it - Anyone can catch it. Stay home - the life you save can be your own!

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We have a system in place at work whereby you're called in and your attendance reviewed after three periods of absence - three single days, three periods of two months, all treated the same.
As soon as it was announced that any Coronavirus absence would be disregarded, everyone generated a mental list of the people who would be 'going sick with symptoms' and yes within a few days, those on those lists all booked off.
"Sod the rest of you" I'm having a few weeks away, fully paid.

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Steveja wrote:
I note masks are now a good ideal ! What changed ?

What happened down under. Our government said there were, from memory, 55 million in stock piles. They weren't necessary for the average person.

On our news the other day the stock pile subject came up. "Now we have plenty of stock so we can do XYZ...."

So in other words there were never enough. The public knew it with the endless stories of doctors surgeries recycling, running out, using vacuum bags etc.

It's the same old story. How do you know a politician is lying. Their lips are moving! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Our supermarket. An overflow section! The toilet paper aisle is stocked floor to ceiling now that everyone has 500 rolls at home!

Plenty of rice & other things on the selves. The only sleeves that are empty are the noodle shelves as a lot of noodles come from China. Probably a lot of workers in factories have vanished for one reason or another! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Andy131 wrote:
Masks - no
a face covering - yes

scared that everyone buying masks will take the supplies away from those who really need them


I will never wear a mask unless it is law, or I have to wear one if I go back to work or visit the supermarket.

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Car Showrooms to reopen in June -

The Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy has published guidance for how businesses can safely resume work during the coronavirus outbreak. The measures include guidelines that shops – including car showrooms – will be required to follow when they are allowed to open. At present, non-essential shops will open in "phases" from 1 June onwards, with car firms expecting to be told of a clearer timeline today.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industr...r-industry

After the initial glut of new cars which have been stored, will there be a shortage due to manufacturing problems?

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