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Jnjsse



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Turbo failure B*57HHE

Hi all,

sorrry if this is in the wrong place, i bought a 2007 HSE a couple of weeks ago from a small independent garage, I had the timing belt replaced for peace of mind then a few days later a squealing belt slipping kind of noise started then gradually got worse, i returned it to the garage and they said the turbo had failed which would explain the intake being full of oil.
I contacted the dealer/person to explain, then when he rung me back he said the turbo was replaced in Dec at a local garage he knows.....there is no record of this in the paperwork yet there is record of smaller work being carried out.
Both he and the garage are blaming the garage that carried out the timing belt work by saying they must have dropped some debris while changing it,
From what i can see the inlet is away from that area so i find this unlikely?
Could anyone offer any advice?
Thanks in advance

Post #412298 15th Sep 2021 8:22 am
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alex_pescaru



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Part of the inlet tubing must be removed for changing the timing belt...

Post #412304 15th Sep 2021 9:31 am
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jules



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Difficult to know what has gone wrong without more info.

I'm highly suspicious of garages that start blaming others, claiming its not their responsibility.
My Brother in Law was a 2nd hand car dealer and I know what "tricks" he got up to.

What warranty was offered by the seller?
As its only been a few weeks I would have thought it was the sellers responsibility to sort it out asap not yours.
Either get them to fully repair it or get your money back.
I'm sure there are legal experts on here how can advise you better than me about your rights. Jules

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jules



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alex_pescaru wrote:
Part of the inlet tubing must be removed for changing the timing belt...


Wouldn't be the first time someone dropped a nut into the inlet.

But you'd think it would make a horrid noise very soon after starting. Jules

Post #412309 15th Sep 2021 10:02 am
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Jnjsse



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Thanks for the replies, I spoke to the garage who done the timing belt who said no pipes needed to be moved so i'm even more uncertain now!
I spoke to to the dealer who sold me the car, i will be dropping it off to the local garage that replaced the turbo last year (still no evidence of this) for them to investigate. I can see them not wanting to replace it under warranty and it becoming a mess.
The noise didn't start straight away it started when it was hot, then now when it is cold too, the noise has changed to a warbling now so i am certainly not driving it until i drop it off.
Thanks again for the response, other than this issue i quite enjoy the car and this forum seems pretty good too.

Post #412311 15th Sep 2021 10:58 am
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Jnjsse



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jules wrote:
Difficult to know what has gone wrong without more info.

I'm highly suspicious of garages that start blaming others, claiming its not their responsibility.
My Brother in Law was a 2nd hand car dealer and I know what "tricks" he got up to.

What warranty was offered by the seller?
As its only been a few weeks I would have thought it was the sellers responsibility to sort it out asap not yours.
Either get them to fully repair it or get your money back.
I'm sure there are legal experts on here how can advise you better than me about your rights.


Yes, he just said they'd look after anything big, i am wary of warranties on used cars, but i am still within the time frame to reject it if they can't prove the timing belt work is the reason for the failure.
Hoping to know more on Friday

Post #412312 15th Sep 2021 11:02 am
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Nodge68



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jules wrote:
alex_pescaru wrote:
Part of the inlet tubing must be removed for changing the timing belt...


Wouldn't be the first time someone dropped a nut into the inlet.

But you'd think it would make a horrid noise very soon after starting.


I know all about that. Big Cry
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alex_pescaru



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Jnjsse wrote:
Thanks for the replies, I spoke to the garage who done the timing belt who said no pipes needed to be moved so i'm even more uncertain now!

See below at 1:27.




And this one, at 7:57

Post #412418 18th Sep 2021 5:43 pm
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Jnjsse



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Thanks again for the replies. I should hear tomorrow what the problem is (or atleast what the mechanic is told to say) something doesn't feel right about the situation so I may get a examination done on the car before I collect it.
I think it's unlikely that something has dropped down in there as I believe it would have made a racket straight away. There was an EGR fault showing so will be interested in what they say about that.
There was a sound like a boost leak and it seemed flat to drive, would this always throw a EML up?
Thanks again everyone

Post #412472 19th Sep 2021 3:54 pm
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merlinj79



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The turbo itself should tell at least part of the story...

Compressor blades chewed up? Something got dropped into the inlet plumbing.

Turbine-side blades chewed up? Some object from the exhaust/wastegate side got in there, and that could include part of a broken valve worst case.

But like you said, FOD should make an instant God-awful racket.

If the bearing is shot (and maybe blades where they rubbed after getting imbalanced) then that's either an oil problem, normal wear, or a mfg defect. Not normal wear with a new turbo. Did the second shop remove any oil connections? Some turbos need to be manually primed with oil on installation.

Do you have the old turbo? You can do some analysis of your own, or stand and watch while the shop does it. Seems like it should be the responsibility of the shop which installed the turbo to warrant the work, unless they can *prove* it was caused by the second shop. If you told them another shop had it, then they're obviously going to be spring-loaded to shift blame.

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