Hi All
We are all aware of the Oil Dilution issues which impacts the 2.0 Discovery Sport, but does this process also happen on the 2.2 DS models? Any one know?

Also I see the Range Rover Velar fitted with the 2.0 diesel has the same oil dilution issues as the DS - Well done Land Rover. Nothing like making a mistake and then continue making the same mistake for a few years more.

Last edited by Suckfish on 15th Nov 2018 10:27 am. Edited 1 time in total

No, only the ingenium cars. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

oil dilution is not unique to LR, infact LR could be praised for being honest about it, there are no dilution figures from many other cars to compare against, but Id wager all euro6 diesels have oil dilution by the time oil service time pops up.

LR's error was to promise a 21000 mile service interval when 12000 is still optimistic .

on service package the extra oil changes are at no cost, other than time and an extra trip to dealer.

my car is on 20000 miles and has been in for interim oil then full service, its 18 months old now and i expect it will be back in march/feb for interim oil. no biggy. just not as advertised At work
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Would you really buy a car long term and only change the oil every 21,000 miles?

It's a serious question - if your not keeping the car long term (e.g. PCP), then you were going to run it into the ground and it's the next owners issue, so a worn out engine isn't really your problem.

If you were keeping it for a while you were going to change the oil every 10,000 miles anyway, so oil dilution isn't a worry.

Now the fun bit - would you buy a very expensive second hand car with a known issue that meant that the engine was possibly clapped out ? Not likely, so if you have a DS the second hand value is going to plummet like a lead balloon.

You wouldn't pay the dealer to do an intermediate oil change, but you might pay an indie - only he can't amend the service record, so a future buyer has little faith that the engine has actually had extra loving care.

As a note some dealers were taking the car in when it was requesting an extra oil change and just resetting the counter!

But in answer to your question the 2.2 doesn't have the oil dilution issue, but the auto gearbox really does suit the 2.0 engine. If your going to buy the 2.2, why not buy a 2014 FL2 - at least there is somewhere to fit the spare wheel. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

you could even buy an Ewok up to 2016 with the 2.2 engine if you were so inclined, and with a newer ZF 6, 9 or 8 speed auto box rather than the old Aisin box that is now at least 18 years old since it was first developed.

So as I will be buying a used DS, my best option (avoiding the oil dilution issue - and saving myself £100,s in oil changes at the dealer) I should choose the 2.2 with a manual box.

A petrol engine would solve all the problems! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Andy131

Agree with you - hate long service intervals on newer cars, no matter how clever the tech, clean fresh oil (especially for a diesel) is always going to be better than running longer on the black old stuff.
I do get a LR MD to change mine outside of the normal service, more expensive I know but I then get extra MD stamps in the book (not the stupid online system) that any future owners can see.

Lightwater

Wish I could have bought a Petrol FL2 of similar age - annoyed that LR never made the 2L Petrol FL2 available in the UK.

If I where to buy a DS then a Petrol model is what I would want, they are at least available, if rare, in the UK. Andrew

Suckfish wrote:

So as I will be buying a used DS, my best option (avoiding the oil dilution issue - and saving myself £100,s in oil changes at the dealer) I should choose the 2.2 with a manual box.

It was a bit of tongue in cheek comment as I know you basically only get diesel engines there.

With all the pollution crackdown you have, it is surprising that LR are not providing more options.

They could even put a more economical engine in the DS, 213kW would be fun, but quite frankly you don't really need 177kW either, same as in the Freelander.

I am sure they could knock off a few kWs & improve fuel economy & save a few dollars. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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Suckfish wrote:

So as I will be buying a used DS, my best option (avoiding the oil dilution issue - and saving myself £100,s in oil changes at the dealer) I should choose the 2.2 with a manual box.

ingenium petrol DS in Uk now at last, At work
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My Velar has the 2.0 D240, no issues. It’ll be a year old come January and I’ve no intention of servicing it until it’s scheduled service in 2020.

I had the 2.2 DS, and it was the members on here who said I was daft to take a brand new model with an old engine. Well I hated the car the minute I picked it up, kept it 6 months and it had to go, but the engine was good. But definitely take an auto I had the manual and it was rubbish.

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Andy131 wrote:

Would you really buy a car long term and only change the oil every 21,000 miles?


You wouldn't pay the dealer to do an intermediate oil change, but you might pay an indie - only he can't amend the service record, so a future buyer has little faith that the engine has actually had extra loving care.

As a note some dealers were taking the car in when it was requesting an extra oil change and just resetting the counter!

Unfortunately there is usually no way of telling if the DS has had an interim oil change. As it's a "goodwill gesture" it is not normally recorded in the service history. Mine has had two (free) interim oil changes, at around 10000 miles between services, but you only have my word for it. I suppose the answer is to buy it from a dealer you can trust (??? )
Basically, if a DS has been used for short journeys around town it will have had a lot of oil dilution; if it's had what I would consider a "normal" life (say 12-15000 miles per year or more) and had a service plan, it will probably have been fine. The short journeys thing is a double whammy - not only does the oil get diluted, but you get a lot more wear with a cold engine.

I am very fond of my 2-litre DS, but if I keep it beyond the warranty date I'll get an extended warranty. I would not be keen to own one without. 40000 miles on mine so far and only two faults - adblue injector blocking up (easily fixed by LR Assist, although the dealer had already tried and not really sorted it) and, currently, EGR cooler blocking up. This isn't really an issue, as it effectively blocks off the EGR (hooray!) but there's an annoying little light on the dash and first MoT is coming up. Due to have EGR cooler and DPF replaced under warranty to cure it.
MY17 and later have separate counters for main service and interim oil change. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

8 LRs doing a mix of short and long trips, no issue, all made their first service.

D5 with the same engine as my 16MY D4, LR tinker about with things, low and behold issue after issue, and it ain’t just low mileage users that suffer it.

2.0 D240 in my Velar running well, also in the D5, no issues, yet the same engine in the DS and Evoque is a piece of  21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200