You could only buy petrol Landies for the first 10 years of their production  * GONE. GS TD4 Manual MY2013. Orkney Grey with privacy, cold and clearview packs, armrests (a must!) and a spoiler.
* 2011 4.4 TDV8 Full Fat. Amazing piece of kit.
* GONE.2012 RR Sport HSE SDV6 Orkney Grey. Rocket ship. 33mpg.
* Range Rover Classic '93 200Tdi Factory fit
* 1949 80" in family since 1975

taztastic wrote:

We more than likely can build a car with a long range, there is too much going on in the background with countries reliant on fossil fuels holding back progress, or certainly helping to delay things.
We have submarines and supertankers using small nuclear reactors, companies such as Toshiba are creating microreactors, ok still too big for a car but technology is there, if we can fuel a submarine for 25 years I am damn sure someone has a car somewhere that will go plenty more than 70 miles.

Battery technology is a stop gap tech and the process of lithium manufacture is far from eco friendly in its own right from what I understand.

As above the future is hydrogen fuel cell.

Hydrogen fuel cells are certainly the future for auto mobiles, I don't think they will ever get a small reactor that small, the smallest one is currently 3 x 9 metres and ideal for a small village, that's an interesting angle.

I have a spare flux capacitor if someone wants one? I prefer the Tdi in my Classic so I removed the FC  * GONE. GS TD4 Manual MY2013. Orkney Grey with privacy, cold and clearview packs, armrests (a must!) and a spoiler.
* 2011 4.4 TDV8 Full Fat. Amazing piece of kit.
* GONE.2012 RR Sport HSE SDV6 Orkney Grey. Rocket ship. 33mpg.
* Range Rover Classic '93 200Tdi Factory fit
* 1949 80" in family since 1975

Read this article and you'll see that all this discussions about diesel versus petrol in terms of pollution are completely ridiculous :


http://www.gizmag.com/shipping-pollution/11526/


The world's 90,000 vessels burn approx 370 million tons of fuel per year emitting 20 million tons of Sulphur Oxides. That equates to 260 times more Sulphur Oxides being emitted by ships than the worlds entire car fleet.

I think that says enough.

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I use to love my old petrol land rover V8 but unfortunately it loved the petrol stations and I've never had a petrol engine since. MY13 HSE LUX Aintree Green
MY57 SE Stornoway Grey. Gone
Nissan X Trail
Discovery V8 LPG
Series II Land Rover

Here in France Profonde, diesel cars are de rigueur - just about everyone has one. Diesel fuel is much cheaper than petrol (I paid 1.17 Euros per litre, today), and always has been, here. You were mightily conned in the Former UK!

The French are not easily persuaded to give up their habits, particularly if it's going to cost them, so I can't see any rapid spread of this policy out here - there'd be strikes and riots (and it doesn't take much to encourage the French to participate in either...). Chris
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taztastic wrote:

With this, almost certainty, swing back towards petrol, do you think manufactureres will adopt petrol or petrol/electric hybrids?
I am thinking from a torque point of view, small efficient petrol units, with little torque are all well and good in Aunt Doris' city mini but what effect would they have on SUV's or is it an excuse for governments to call the death knell on these too?

A decent hybrid would solve that but the battery issue rears its ugly head, I wonder how far down the road (Scuse pun) the manufactuereres are with battery/electricity harnessing technology. I imagine, rather comically, that the power from the current batteries would be better used to heat water and produce steam

Labradorslave wrote:

Mav do you know when Land Rover plan to start putting the ingenium 2.0 Turbo petrols in the new Discovery Sport? As someone who mostly drives on country lanes, modern diesels are not really suitable. I am now a self diagnosed land rover addict. The Evoque is a little too flash for my taste so the early FL2 without DPF is the only option for me at the moment. I live in hope the world will see sense and drop the current diesel addiction! A modern turbo petrol engine may not have the torque band of the TD4/SD4 engines but is far superior in every other respect.

The DS that was in our local Shopping Mall in Leicester was an Ingenium 2.0 Turbo petrol. But I know from within LR that no decision has been made yet as to whether the petrol DS will be launched in the UK.

But I suspect that there are a few within LR are debating whether launching DS with the old engine is a good idea  Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

Why turbo over supercharger? The current motorbike I have is Hondas go at an economic bike, which is a low revving 700cc which does 80mpg, its rumoured Honda are going to release a supercharger version of it. 
Hung like Einstein, smart as a horse.

As a Supercharger is driven from the crank, it adds load on the engine which in turn will increase emmisions produced by the engine. This is why the majority of cars now have electric power steering to remove the hydraulic pump from the engine.

Turbocharging doesn't need any mechanical power from the engine to drive it. It's free power from waste exhaust gases to spin the turbo.

Supercharging does make sense on a bike as there is less weight to push so supercharging maybe more efficient on this application, supercharging also doesn't produce the heat that turbocharging does. Freelander 2 HSE Lux 2013MY - Barolo Black with Ivory Leather. Alpine DVD - Privacy -Evoque 20" Dynamic Wheels and more to come.........

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turbochargers use wasted heat energy to produce power so create less parasitic losses than supercharger that are belt or gear drives to spin the compressors/rotors
edit: mav beat me to it

Ok, makes sense, thanks. 
Hung like Einstein, smart as a horse.

Mav71 wrote:

Turbocharging doesn't need any mechanical power from the engine to drive it. It's free power from waste exhaust gases to spin the turbo.

We all been here before, diesel bad all jump ship and get petrol car's again and then wonder why petrol is so much more expensive than diesel you know the script. MY13 HSE LUX Aintree Green
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