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OLOSTEVE



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If JLR kept the Freelander in production I would....

I think we all agree that JLR made a mistake when they stopped production of their entry level Freelander leaving the bulbous and heavier Disco Sport as the entry vehicle. I was watching, Harry's Garage this week when he was testing the new Range Rover Sport that has gained in all directions Size, Weight & Price, and it started me thinking what JLR could have improved and updated on the Freelander. So here goes. Keep the shell the same, improve the sound insulation, up date the dash, Mild petrol hybrid, strengthen Haldex, electric tail gate, built in dash cam, 9 speed automatic and better head lamps for a start. If there's some thing I've missed just add it on.
Only in our dreams of course Laughing


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Post #429097 22nd Jan 2023 4:31 pm
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Rommel



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England 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Fuji White

Galvanised subframes! 2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
Nagging Old Boiler.

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Bobupndown



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

LWB version to allow for a 7 seater / bigger luggage capacity.

Increased towing capacity.

Diffs and haldex fitted with drain plugs.
Improved fuel efficiency, the 9 speed gearbox might help with that?

Bigger infotainment screen for apple car play - but keep proper buttons for stereo / heating controls.

More USB points.

Definitely standard fit xenon lights, suppose they'd be laser lights by now?

That will do for now, there's not a massive list of things I need that I don't already have in my Freelander 2. If I could buy a new one today I'd be at the dealers door. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

Post #429099 22nd Jan 2023 4:50 pm
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MartynB



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Another vote for more luggage capacity , it is woeful . One of the only reasons I parted with my FL2 was that it was a struggle to get all the kit for a few days shooting or fishing safely stored in the boot if you had a party of 2 or 3 , so another 100mm width would be a good idea . Also for a a vehicle with off road capability , storing the spare wheel under the boot floor which might mean all your kit dumped in a field during a wheel change - a pretty daft idea , so I’d have liked a swing open rear door like an old Shogun or 90 , with a rear mounted spare .

Crying shame that the FL2’s original designers and builders FoMoCo aren’t bringing the new Bronco to the U.K. as that would be a good shout at a replacement! 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Sold June 21 after 10 years of ownership

2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic Sold 2024 after 8 years and 80k miles . Best Car I ever owned !

2023 Toyota Hilux invincible X 2.8 Auto .

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

Having had 3 modern SUVs over the last decade, I wouldn't say the Freelander is bad at all by comparison.
It's definitely not noisy on the road as our Ford Kuga, VW Tiguan and Mazda XC5, all of which were more noisy at motorway speeds, the Ford was quite horrendous.
Boot space on the Freelander is comparable with the vehicles mentioned above.
Infotainment system is old by comparison, but still sounds good, although the Bose systems in the Tiguan and CX5 were slightly better sounding, but not by much.
Headlamps are average, mine being a pre-face lift has H7 dips and separated H7 mains, so they are acceptable.
The Kuga had the worst headlamps I've ever driven with, they were truly awful, the Tiguan had pretty much the same as my Freelander, with H7s for dip and main.
The CX5 had auto cornering LED headlamps, which were absolutely awesome, unless your were coming the other way, as we used to get flashed a lot by other road users.

Out of the 4 vehicles, the Freelander definitely gives the most commanding driving position, which is something that all LRs do, and they have a soul too, which very few cars seem to have.

I did like the Mazda CX5, it was a good all round car, but it didn't have a soul, it was just a car and a good car at that. I'd have another if the opportunity arose but would I swap a CX5 for my Freelander, I'm not sure I would. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. My daily driver.
Gone. 2006 Tonga Green i6 HSE.

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Lightwater



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My sister has an Evoque. I know which car runs rings around the other. Let alone all the other dribble! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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tenet



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United Kingdom 2015 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey

"LWB version to allow for a 7 seater / bigger luggage capacity."

In nearly 60 years of motoring I can honestly say I have never seen 7 people in a private car outwith groups of lads going to the pub.
[/i] MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

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Bobupndown



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The previous much beloved and missed Disco 2 was often in demand for its 7 seat ability needing only one car rather than two for family outings. Versatile for school and scout group duties also. When our kids were small they loved to travel in the 3rd row of seats, which made it a bit quieter up front too! Not a must have feature but very useful. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

Post #429118 22nd Jan 2023 10:48 pm
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IanMetro



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I like the Freelander as it is.

I would not want it any bigger, the boot is a bit tight, but I like the way the rear seat folds to give you a solid, FLAT, floor.

The driving position, and visibility is the best that I have had in any car I've had, and you can see a long way up the road, above most cars.

My late model Metro has decent lights and most extras I need, and I have mixed feelings about having any more electronic driving aids.

The biggish diesel engine suits it well, and has the sub-10sec 0-60mph that I normally look for in cars.

I confess that my wife choose our first Freelander XS, mainly on its height and and colour, and I just checked its performance, driving position, and that (as it was a diesel) it had an autobox, and agreed. It, like many FL2, came with lots of extras, upgraded seats, winter pack, 19in posh wheels, and so on.

Before that I normally drove 2ltr (mainly company) cars of similar performance, my last being 2ltr Turbo Petrol Vauxhall Signum. If left to my own devices I would have most likely carried on with that type of car.

But I'm glad I did not, and I was so pleased with my FL2 XS, that after 5 years I started searching for the latest, most equipped FL2 I could find and luckily I found it in my Metro with just 16000 miles on clock. (and White for my wife)

I believe that the FL2 will become a modern classic. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 74k+ miles) (MY2015)

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Rommel



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I agree with what IanMetro says, its suits my needs, however I am a bit concerned about parts availability for the long term future? I can get any part I want for my Defender now over 22 yrs old somehow cannot see FL2s developing the same following due to the short production run, hope I am wrong? Neutral 2013 FL2 XS.
Defender 90 300 TDi.
Defender 90 300 TDi CSW.
1964 MGB Roadster.
1944 Willys MB "Jeep" with bullet holes. (gone)
17 hand Irish Drought Thoroughbred (mostly lame)
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Lightwater



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MartynB wrote:
Another vote for more luggage capacity , it is woeful . One of the only reasons I parted with my FL2 was that it was a struggle to get all the kit for a few days shooting or fishing safely stored in the boot if you had a party of 2 or 3

We manage to pack all the things below for travelling around Australia & we mostly sleep in the back of the car. You just need to pack better.

145.000 People (one has to reduce a bit!) x2

12.000 Roof rack rails & 1 pair cross bars x1
_3.600 Second pair cross bars x1
_4.000 Solar panel & tyre bracket x1
30.000 Wheel second spare x1
_4.600 Fuel rack aluminium x1
36.000 Fuel tanks 10 litres x4
_3.000 Fuel rack aluminium small x1
_9.000 Fuel tanks 5 litres x2
_0.080 Fuel tank nozzle x2
15.200 Solar panels x1
12.000 Sand tracks x4
12.000 Awning x1

20.972 Water container 10 litre 0.486 x2
42.656 Water container 5 litre 0.332 x8
_3.414 Water container 1 litre 0.138 x3
_1.000 Thermos flask x1

_3.700 Fire extinguishers 1kg x2
_0.300 Hi vis vests x2
16.000 Compressor 4.5kg x3
_1.350 Air tank 4 litres x1
_0.636 Air dryer x1
_0.388 Pressure gauge x1
_0.084 Pressure gauge electronic x2
_0.132 Fitting x1
_0.556 Air hose 6 metre ARB orange x1
_0.426 Air hose 2 metre blue x1
_0.362 Air hose 1.5 metre blue x1
_0.264 Air hose 0.8 metre blue x1
_0.106 Air duster cleaner x1

_2.100 Jumper leads 175 anderson to clamp x1
_3.900 Jumper leads 300 amp continuous x1
37.000 Battery 26ah 8.35kg + brackets x4
_1.000 MPPT x1
_1.490 6awg 4m 50ah anderson x1
_0.954 8awg 4m 50ah anderson x1
_0.254 12awg 2.2m anderson x1
_0.342 12awg 2m 50/35 ah anderson x1
_0.282 12awg 35ah fridge lead 1
_0.112 Fridge power lead x1
_0.210 Fridge 240 volt lead x1
15.000 Fridge 28 litres inc. extra insulation x1
_0.100 12 volt lead 1m x3
_0.700 White towel to cover fridge x1

0.216 Window sun shade front x1
0.366 Window sun shade rest of windows x1
6.500 Mosquito enclosure x1
1.000 Ground sheet heavy x1
0.626 Ground sheet tent cover light x1
1.088 Tent poles telescopic 0.544 x2
1.900 Tent poles and pegs x2
1.600 Tent ropes & pegs (10 & 10)
0.684 Tent peg hammer x1
1.050 Sand flag x1
0.300 Window sun nets for mosquitoes x4

3.100 Helinox chairs x2
1.210 Stools x2
0.054 Blue & grey seat mats x2
1.054 Table top x1
1.178 Table legs x1
1.010 Metho stove & lighters etc
1.850 Metho 1 litre x2
0.700 Bucket with lid x1

0.806 Sleeping mat blue Thermarest x1
1.110 Sleeping mat brown Thermarest x1
0.400 Sleeping mat 3/4 Thermarest x1
0.278 Sleeping mat grey foam x1
0.286 Sleeping mat blue foam x1
3.000 Sleeping bags x2

0.500 First aid x1
0.256 Tick freeze spray x1
0.300 Braun tooth brush 2xAA x2
2.000 Personal items
1.500 Toilet paper 10 rolls + 3 emergency

0.256 Camera Canon G9X + 2 add batteries x1
0.700 Paper maps Hema / Gregorys x10
3.000 Atlas x2
0.370 GPS + cable + bracket x1
0.200 Mobile x1
0.800 portable radio

0.256 Torch large USB 26650 x1
0.102 Torch medium USB 18650 x1
0.150 Torch head USB 16340 x2
0.032 Torch AAA x2
0.244 AA AAA battery charger
0.384 Clamp meter x1
1.086 Tool box tyre repair x1
0.366 Multi grips x1
0.192 Long nose pliers
0.268 Ratchet 3/8 inch x1
0.320 Wheel leveller x1
1.830 Jack plate x1
0.650 Tie down ratchet heavey duty x1
0.372 Tie down straps 2 metres x2
0.324 Tie down straps 1 metres x2
8.000 Tow ropes + shackles x2
1.368 3/4 inch tee handle x1
0.622 3/4 inch 21mm socket + extension x1
0.260 Builders glovers 2 sets x2
1.000 Boot carpet x1
3.000 Front rubber mats x2
0.238 Fuses box of 150 x150

0.300 12 volt dual outlet + extension x1
1.036 Spanners 6mm to 19mm (set)
0.578 Sockets 13mm - 21mm + extension (set)
0.434 Sockets small (set)
0.216 Screw driver set (set)
0.366 Air filter
0.300 Oil filter

15.000 Clothes for 2 people
_3.000 Shoes & sandals 2 people
15.000 Food - cans, dry & cold
15.000 Beer (reduce weight of first item!) (not enough beer!)

There are few things missing from the above list. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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jules



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Rommel wrote:
Galvanised subframes!


yes, yes.

When it comes to cars the greenest thing you can do is not buy a new one. Jules

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jules



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tenet wrote:
"LWB version to allow for a 7 seater / bigger luggage capacity."

In nearly 60 years of motoring I can honestly say I have never seen 7 people in a private car outwith groups of lads going to the pub.
[/i]


My D2 had 7 seats and we often used all the seats taking kids to out of school activities - swimming, scouts etc.

But now its just me, the missus and Zak the lab so the FL2 is fine for us. Jules

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Sidthecat



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

Lightwater, priorities are wrong, should beer not be first item then pack everything else, minding to keep it easily accessible Wink

Post #429148 23rd Jan 2023 1:06 pm
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OLOSTEVE



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Auto Firenze Red


IanMetro wrote:
I like the Freelander as it is.

I would not want it any bigger, the boot is a bit tight, but I like the way the rear seat folds to give you a solid, FLAT, floor.

The driving position, and visibility is the best that I have had in any car I've had, and you can see a long way up the road, above most cars.

My late model Metro has decent lights and most extras I need, and I have mixed feelings about having any more electronic driving aids.

The biggish diesel engine suits it well, and has the sub-10sec 0-60mph that I normally look for in cars.

I confess that my wife choose our first Freelander XS, mainly on its height and and colour, and I just checked its performance, driving position, and that (as it was a diesel) it had an autobox, and agreed. It, like many FL2, came with lots of extras, upgraded seats, winter pack, 19in posh wheels, and so on.

Before that I normally drove 2ltr (mainly company) cars of similar performance, my last being 2ltr Turbo Petrol Vauxhall Signum. If left to my own devices I would have most likely carried on with that type of car.

But I'm glad I did not, and I was so pleased with my FL2 XS, that after 5 years I started searching for the latest, most equipped FL2 I could find and luckily I found it in my Metro with just 16000 miles on clock. (and White for my wife)

I believe that the FL2 will become a modern classic.

One of the biggest issues for me has been, Driving and Visibility where the Freelander is outstanding. I have driven the Evoque and couldn't wait to get out of it, was like sitting in a black hole. The Disco Sport also didn't seem to have that same quality of visibility and felt as though you sit a lot lower in the car. The best modification I did on my Freelander is raising the seat by 50mm steel tubes. I am 5'10" tall and still have 100mm head room it means that my legs are better supported and a lot more comfortable and the extra height makes night driving a little bit better as being an old git I have to wear glasses that add to reflections.

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