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p_gill



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Here is the result of the GLOVE TEST on my Volvo 3.2 2010 S80







Note: the PCV in my Volvo does make a very slight honk when first started but it isn't very loud. I can't hear it with the engine cover in place, in fact if I am listening to music or talking to someone I can't hear it. I do think that your recording is louder than what I am hearing but it may be temperature related.

If you can hear the Honk with the Engine cover in place and the Bonnet closed and you are in the drivers seat with the music playing at a very low volume then you need to fix something.

If not then you are being Paranoid.

"Only the Paranoid Survive" A. Grove

Thanks

Paul

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p_gill



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CraigMate wrote:
I'll try and video it in the morning.

If it was the new pcv/cam cover I just installed, how would the fault manifest itself mechanically....? Would it build pressure while driving until it caused a momentary loss of power that feels like a.misfire....?



Craig,

Did you get an original Land Rover or Volvo PCV?

If the PCV doesn't work at all (engine internals are sealed tight) then pressure would build up inside and a gasket would fail and likely leak out lots of oil.



If the PCV fails the other direction (engine internals are exposed to full vacuum) then you would start consuming lots of oil.

I don't know if this is intuitively obvious but shorter chain length hydro carbons are less prone to detonation. (Higher Octane rating)

Without getting into the Organic Chemistry too deep lets just accept that Engine Oil has a longer average carbon chain length than Petrol.

In this case the engine would reduce power due to detonation induced by ingesting excessive motor oil.

Hopefully this makes sense.

Thanks

Paul

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Hi, Interesting noise! I would suggest a broken piston ring. I have a Volvo V70 T6 with 167k on the clock, and it only rattles a little after standing for a week. Definately pressure related somewhere. Before getting too paranoid, test the vacuum pump for vacuum, and also, if you have a vacuum tank, check the valves work. The other thing is the complex petrol breather system that releases fumes to the engine on a cycle at start up. Does your engine throw a fault code when running and the filler cap is opened? Petrol engines now usually do so. It is correct that too much internal pressure will force oil out, so will over filling the sump, these engines have a Volvo warning for that.

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Craig,

You have found the root cause my friend.

The video is brilliant


Bow down Bow down Bow down


You did not mention if you bought an original PCV or aftermarket.


If the sound really bothers you then take the PCV off and put some motor oil in the area where the diaphragm is and let it soak then turn it over and drain that motor oil out. There is a Valve inside that is sticking and you want to lubricate it.

Note: I suspect that over time engine oil will get to the valve and the Honk should go away.

But if it bother you then take it apart and lubricate it.

That is a really good video .

I am still laughing.

Thanks for sharing

Paul

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CraigMate



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Woohoo!

I'll try lubricating the valve in the pcv first. I'll check the invoice but, I'm pretty sure I bought an oem rather than LR part.

I might be selling her soon so she needs to be right.

Sadly (sort of) my business is doing well and I've had to buy a pick-up. Not sure yet if I can afford both vehicles long term.

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p_gill



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Craig,

Go to 2:33 in this video to see what's inside the PCV




The Diaphragm needs to seal against the Brass cylinder.

If it doesn't seal, it sings or honks as you've discovered.


Click image to enlarge


Don't worry too much about leaving a little oil on the Diaphragm it will drain back to the reservoir in the cylinder head.




Note: if you want to try lubricating the opposite side of the diaphragm a little silicone spray applied with the PCV installed may work as well (spray it around the perimeter of the cap and some will get inside)


Let us know what works

Paul

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CraigMate



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I've tried removing the whole pcv, leaving oil I'm the valve for a while the replacing it on the car. This didn't help.
Is there a safe way to remove the plastic cap over the valve without breaking it? Looks a bit dicey to me....

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Also, it's a genuine pcv/cover Thumbs Up

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Return it

Get a new one

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I'm not entirely sure why i didn't think of that.... Banging Head

Called Britcar (supplying agent) sorted under warranty, new part should be with me by the end of next week!

Why didn't i do this a month ago!? Dumb ass Rolling Eyes Laughing

I'm sorry i didn't get to post a cool fix for anyone else that has the same issue in future.

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The new pcv will be with me Wednesday hopefully Thumbs Up

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Craig,

I got mine to HONK!!!



My LR2 is away with my daughter at University so I don't get to see my LR (or my Daughter).

But my daughter was home for a few days and I checked the LR.

By introducing a very small air leak into the Engine i was able to get the honk.

If I made the leak large then the HONK stopped.

To do this I did the following

1. lift the dipstick slightly but don't fully remove it

2. lift the oil fill cap slightly but don't remove

Bot of these locations has replaceable O-rings

Guess what I recommend what you do next?

I did replace the O-ring on my oil fill cap. I will look for the part number.

Thanks

Paul


PS I know that you are planning to sell your LR and get a truck. If you are getting a FORD to replace your LR then I will do everything I can to help you get ready for the sale. However if you are getting a toyota, then don't tell me...........because I don't feel the same about toyota. (for reference I am certain that my 3.2 was built in the UK at a factory that has a big FORD sign at its entrance and I knew that my LR was using FORD parts when I bought it) I've owned many vehicles over the past 30+ years and none of them have been made by toyota.

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