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Pegleg



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Strange non start after stalling

I accidently stalled the engine the other day; i had a lot on my mind.
However, it wouldn't restart, the fuel gauge read zero and the trip comp gave a range of 1 mile despite that fact that i'd just half filled the tank.
After a few locks and unlocks it started and the fuel gauge very slowly came back to the correct reading.

Anyone a clue to what went on? Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Post #87395 10th Jan 2011 9:59 pm
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alex_pescaru



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A lot of things could done that along the chain...
The fuel level sender is communicating the fuel level to central junction box (CJB).
From here it is sent over can-bus to the engine ECU and to the instrument cluster.
Because both engine wasn't starting and instrument cluster showed zero, then the information about fuel level on the can-bus, after/broadcasted by the CJB, was non existent, or zero.
So the problem was in one of these places:
- fuel level sensor glitch;
- bad electrical connection at fuel sensor;
- bad electrical connection at CJB;
- software glitch inside CJB.
I tend to belive that was the last one.
So, if I were you, I wont worry.
Yet.... Laughing

Post #87417 10th Jan 2011 11:05 pm
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Pegleg



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Alex,
Thanks for your thoughts. I can't figure out what went wrong, the car has been fine ever since. What i did find odd is that EMS didn't go into limp mode after restaring the engine as both gauge and trip comp were so low. It took a good 5 minutes for them both to come back to normal readings.
Think i'll check any fault codes but i've a feeling that i wont find any.
Oh, Happy New Year!! Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Post #87426 10th Jan 2011 11:18 pm
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alex_pescaru



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Happy New Year to you too!

Pegleg wrote:
What i did find odd is that EMS didn't go into limp mode after restaring the engine as both gauge and trip comp were so low.


The info about fuel level, for both gauge and range is computed inside CJB.
This is why I am thinking it was a software glitch inside CJB. The engine was directly in shutdown mode, way beyond limp mode. Read below.
Here's what manual said:

.........
The two fuel sender units are located on either side of the saddle shaped tank and connect to the internal electrical connections on the fuel delivery module flange. Each sensor provides an electrical signal to the CJB that is proportionate to the fuel level in each side of the tank.
The actual fuel level in the tank is calculated by the CJB and transmitted via the medium speed can-bus to the instrument cluster.
..........
If the instrument cluster fails to receive the fuel level signals from CJB, the fuel level gauge will move to the empty position and the low fuel level indicator will be illuminated.
..........
Also the fuel level information from CJB is used by the engine ECM to apply the Run Out Of Fuel (ROOF) strategy
Stage 1 > Indicated Tank Vol = 4.5l - Engine Torque Limitation, Cruise Control cancel/inhibit, No DTC, driver may not notice Torque Limit unless requesting high Torque
Stage 2 > Indicated Tank Vol = 3.5l - As Stage 1 + Misfire, No DTC
Stage 3 > Indicated Tank Vol = 3.0l - As Stage 1 + 2 + Shutdown, DTC P115B68 "Low Fuel Level Forced Engine Shutdown"


Maybe it has the stage 3 error stored, you may check it out. Therefore the non start...

Post #87437 10th Jan 2011 11:46 pm
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Pegleg



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You could be right.
Incidently, the low fuel w/l didn't come on, very strange.
Now if i was still working in my professional capacity, i could have given the boys at Gaydon a ring!
Many thanks Alex Thumbs Up Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

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AndyT



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A couple of years ago I had a restarting issue occasionally. If I stopped the engine without removing the fob (say, in a traffic jam), it would sometimes not crank when pressing the start button again. I would have to remove and reinsert the keyfob and that would usually solve it. I've had more than one firmware update since and it hasn't been an issue for some time.
As with many similar bugs and glitches, firmware upgrades often sort it.

Post #87478 11th Jan 2011 10:34 am
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Pegleg



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Today i hit the stop/start button while driving(very slowly) and the fob wouldn't release. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

Post #87664 12th Jan 2011 12:50 am
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I would hope not. If you'd have got the fob out the steering lock solenoid would have kicked in.
I would imagine that the road wheel rotation sensing has to see no rotation at all before you can release the fob - as a safely measure.

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Pegleg



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Nope, i was stationary at the time. Took several attemps to get the fob out. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

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AndyT



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I see. I read it as though you were still moving.
Have you tried the same experiment with another keyfob? It sounds more like the software was possibly struggling with the fact that the engine was stopped while rolling and took a while to enable keyfob release. Could be a bug - again firmware upgrade might be necessary.

Post #87785 13th Jan 2011 9:55 am
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