Didn't pay attention ....I didn't open it !!

So I had a look.....honestly, I do say this with respect but i found it rather boring! It's "Rocket Science." Most of us are Joe Bloggs and Joe Bloggs isn't concerned with rocket science. He or Mrs Bloggs for that matter, want an easy life, (life's complicated enough!) to just get in the car and go!

On that last page I was half expected some revelation...."if a sensor detects this then that will happen to compensate" or what ever, but.....

"The driver will be alerted to this condition by a message
'DPF FULL' accompanied by a handbook symbol. As
detailed in the Owners Handbook, the driver should
drive the vehicle until the engine is at its normal
operating temperature and then drive for a further 20
minutes at speeds of not less than 30 mph (48 km/h).
regeneration of the DPF is indicated to the driver by the
'DPF FULL' message no longer being displayed. If the
DPF software detects that the DPF is still blocked, the
message will change to 'DPF FULL VISIT DEALER',
the driver should take the vehicle to an authorized dealer
to have the DPF regenerated."

to me it just seems to flag that "Yes we will get error messages" that "Yes we will be expected to drive out our way to avoid them" and "Yes we will be expected to make trips to the dealer." Joe Bloggs doesn't want that! Which is why Mr Nissan is looking elsewhere.

Sorry if you didn't pick up on it but my post wasn't really asking legitimate questions. it was meant as a rhetorical statement. To illustrate that DPF is a "can of worms" and problems therefore lie ahead.

Alex- pescaru, it is really great having your imput and helpful advice.

It is also a timely reminder that if we are buying a £25,000 £33,000 vehicle, surely we should be reading every page of the drivers hand book.

Keep up the good work alex, thanks again from nazca sand eddie.

Wing wrote:

Ordered my HSE TD4e back in April without any mention of DPF filters and options. Picked her up late June and page 95 of the manual mentions the DPF filter as if it's standard fit, no mention of 'optional extra' or 'if fitted'.

DPF is a really difficult issue. Mazda had real problems before the new '6' in that the oil levels could rise resuting in premature engine failure. My mates Pug 4007 which is the same power train as FL2 had a series of 'DPF Full' warnings and despite repeated visits to his dealer. it keeps happening. He now resorts to a blast in a low gear up the nearest fast road to clear it out. Defeats the object surley.
In theory, DPF is a good thing and it keeps road tax down; but in practice?
I think not yet.
I'd rather pay more tax!

kezman50 wrote:

Didn't pay attention ....I didn't open it !!

So I had a look.....honestly, I do say this with respect but i found it rather boring! It's "Rocket Science." Most of us are Joe Bloggs and Joe Bloggs isn't concerned with rocket science. He or Mrs Bloggs for that matter, want an easy life, (life's complicated enough!) to just get in the car and go!

On that last page I was half expected some revelation...."if a sensor detects this then that will happen to compensate" or what ever, but.....

"The driver will be alerted to this condition by a message
'DPF FULL' accompanied by a handbook symbol. As
detailed in the Owners Handbook, the driver should
drive the vehicle until the engine is at its normal
operating temperature and then drive for a further 20
minutes at speeds of not less than 30 mph (48 km/h).
regeneration of the DPF is indicated to the driver by the
'DPF FULL' message no longer being displayed. If the
DPF software detects that the DPF is still blocked, the
message will change to 'DPF FULL VISIT DEALER',
the driver should take the vehicle to an authorized dealer
to have the DPF regenerated."

to me it just seems to flag that "Yes we will get error messages" that "Yes we will be expected to drive out our way to avoid them" and "Yes we will be expected to make trips to the dealer." Joe Bloggs doesn't want that! Which is why Mr Nissan is looking elsewhere.

Sorry if you didn't pick up on it but my post wasn't really asking legitimate questions. it was meant as a rhetorical statement. To illustrate that DPF is a "can of worms" and problems therefore lie ahead.

Hope you find a vehicle that dos'nt tell you when you need to fill up as well
Honestly though, most educated people can read and understand very simple insructions, especially when it concerns a rather expensive purchase  2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
Stornoway Grey with Ebony Black Pleather, Clear Indicators, Body Side Mouldings etc.

I normally drive quite long motorway distances and everything is ok. But as soon as i spend a couple of days doing very little milage I get the "DPF Full, consult dealer message". The dealer doesnt want to know tells me to take it for a good run. Surely you would not expect to have to go on a long run every third day just to keep your car running.

I have had the "DPF FULL Visit Dealer" several times this year and twice sorted out by the dealer. However the last time happened it was accompanied with the engine running in limp mode, which was a pain being on a motorway with steep hills. This last time I did the cleaning process myself as prescribed in the book, turned off the motor and after restarting all was fine and has been since. Should mention that I also mostly do long runs. My dealer has taken this quite seriously and will be giving the system a full check at the beginning of September when he has a new particle filter and sensor in stock (apparently they are in short supply). The whole system is to be changed if necessary. 2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
Stornoway Grey with Ebony Black Pleather, Clear Indicators, Body Side Mouldings etc.

alex_pescaru wrote:

Read the material below for a full explanation, especially the last part, from page 167, about DPF regeneration.
https://www.freel2.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11383/FL2_DPF.pdf

DPF is another example of "political engineering" to appease vested interest pressure groups and beloved by bureacrats. Adds considerably to whole of life motoring costs with increased maintenance requirement and more frequent trips to the dealer to fix it.
Other examples include the practice of debasing perfectly good diesel oil by adding bio muck to it - a big fat scam whereby oil companies charge for adding the muck, bio suppliers charge for supplying it. Oil processing companies then charge for supplying additive gloop to combat the bug which thrives on the bio muck. Engines break down more frequently due to blocked filters. Service costs go up. And of course our professional politicians spend their lives on an endless round of tax payer funded committees and meetings to promote, regulate and monitor the scam.
The electric stop start is another piece of counter rational engineering to enable manufacturers to post improved average fuel consumption figures for their range of cars. Best engineering solution is to minimise fuel consumption across all rpm on each model - but stopping an engine and then having to re-start it is in itself inefficient. The extra cost and weight of the additional component strengthening and increased battery capacity mitigate against fuel saving because you cannot choose to leave that at home - it is a burden on performance on every journey - expensive to fit and something else to maintain.
All manufacturers are caught up in this political meddling in engineering applications. Seems like that for every step forward in car design - such as improved primary and secondary safety - we have to put up with a few turkeys like the DPF. In time engineers will come up with better solutions to the identified problems but considerable aggravation for motorists until that happens.
Robin

...oh, and add EGRs to the list! John
07 HSE Narvick Black
Land Rover Series One
Triumph Rocket 111 (sadly gone!)

Hi, we have a my11 with a DPF and it gets driven 5 miles to work and 5 miles home most days at urban speeds.

In 4 months of ownership we have never had any issues or DPF warnings.

It does however get driven maybe once a week for a short motorway blast when we go food shopping so maybe that's enough to blow the cob webs out?

I've had dpf full once after leaving it at the garage for an mot ( think they left it running ) , but it cleared on a motorway run soon after. I do a lot of short trips and haven't had any message from my normal driving.

Old thread regeneration......ouch, sorry.

There's talk earlier in this thread of pre 10MY Freely2s not having a DPF. So having just bought a 59 plate (1st reg Nov 09) TD4e what am I looking for when I crawl underneath to check whether mine has one or not? I'm just wondering if the "e" got it fitted before anything else.

No need to crawl underneath. http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic22814.html?highlight=dpf+vin

Excellent, thanks. Apparently it's the 8th digit in the VIN that denotes whether you have one. A "B" means not. A "C" means with DPF. Mines a "B".