Hi Bill, in my experience the keysafes are secure (tempting fate) they could be broken into, but it would be far quicker & easier for someone to break a window, or simply knock the door & say they are "From the water board." SD4 HSE Lux Orkney Grey,Full size spare tyre,Ugly kid glass.

Absolutely right. They do vary a bit in quality and you do get what you pay for but basically they are all more secure than the average window or pane of glass..

The biggest difference between the different sorts on sale, that really counts, is how easy the numbers are to see and the ease with which the numbers turn as some are a bit tricky for older people to manipulate should they ever need to use the keysafe themselves.

This is the type we got for her , http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keyguard-Outdoor...416e15902d

The council usually provide the same type but would be dearer than buying it ourself .

My local council fit those ^^^ as stated, more secure than a window, or knocking the door, the only issues are, the code can be entered in any combination, & after a long time or much use the keys may give the code away. SD4 HSE Lux Orkney Grey,Full size spare tyre,Ugly kid glass.

Thanks for those very helpful and encouraging suggestions. (It's amazing what benefits there are from subscribing to a car forum - not just any car, of course!)

Bill