alextankl wrote:

i will engage sport mode when overtaking on a very sharp corner

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I know, sometimes it sounds right in your head but reads wrong on paper, a classic Pinky mistake

EYorkshire wrote:

alextankl wrote:

i will engage sport mode when overtaking on a very sharp corner

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I know, sometimes it sounds right in your head but reads wrong on paper, a classic Pinky mistake

I was thinking similar things EYorkshire - but I came to the conclusion the overtaking was in true Landy fashion, offroad and therefore nil consequence to/of oncoming vehicles!  Freelander 1 TD4 HSE - gone, 2 weeks after the Cat.Converter!
Freelander 2 TD4 SE Auto MY08 - Santorini black

Land Rover Owner International magazine did a 'real world test' of the SD4 HSE in the March 2011 issue (pages 70, 71) and found the quick up-changing auto box resulted in "jerky" progress when driving up hills or in slower moving traffic. The article author said he preferred the 'sport' mode in these circumstances.
I bought a manual because I prefer to change gear myself. Having had automatic cars before, I found them frustrating as they usually change up a gear as you slow down for roundabouts etc, just as you want it to hold onto the lower gear for better flexibility.

My theory is that if I want to change gear myself, I buy a manual 'box. Poke it, Poke it, make it do it again!!

Gone - 2008 Freel2 HSE Santorini Black
Hello - 2010 RRS TDV6 3.0 HSE Santorini Black

russben wrote:

Land Rover Owner International magazine did a 'real world test' of the SD4 HSE in the March 2011 issue (pages 70, 71) and found the quick up-changing auto box resulted in "jerky" progress when driving up hills or in slower moving traffic. The article author said he preferred the 'sport' mode in these circumstances.
I bought a manual because I prefer to change gear myself. Having had automatic cars before, I found them frustrating as they usually change up a gear as you slow down for roundabouts etc, just as you want it to hold onto the lower gear for better flexibility.

My theory is that if I want to change gear myself, I buy a manual 'box.

Well said. LRO have found what I have always said about the auto being jerky. If people prefer to buy it still then fair enough but I want to be in control rather than the car and the smooth manual is perfect. £1500 less at list price, less to tax, more economical, smoother and the driver is in control.  LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

The box's software is designed for performance, not confort.

If you are using the car for what LR thought/designed to be used, I will very much like to see how you can do this, like in the video below, with a manual car, without burning out the clutch and slip back...
A 30 degrees angle hill climb (almost 60% incline) with two stops and resumes in the middle...


And two additional videos on the same incline.

alex_pescaru wrote:

The box's software is designed for performance, not confort.

If you are using the car for what LR thought/designed to be used, I will very much like to see how you can do this, like in the video below, with a manual car, without burning out the clutch and slip back...
A 30 degrees angle hill climb (almost 60% incline) with two stops and resumes in the middle...


And two additional videos on the same incline.

Doctor, Gradient Release just stops the car from lurching before HDC takes over when stopped on a hill, it's not Hill Hold Assist as some manufacturers call it.

Yes an expert 4x4 driver could do in the video's with a manual, I could, but it would cause more damage than in the auto. Plus it's easier in the auto, allowing you to think about other things more, which way your wheels are pointing, what you're having for tea tonight etc!

I prefer auto's, especially in 4x4's as they promote a more relaxed driving style more suited to large vehicles (My opinion, not gospel as is proven day in and day out by all the no ers who own 4x4's like the X5) and having driven a lot from working for various car companies, the LR box in the Discovery 3 and later 4 is the best auto all round that I've driven, with our TD4 HSE not far behind.

Obviously everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but if you get used to the FL auto and drive with it, rather than around it like most people seem to, then it's a fantastic box, and when it hunts a little (very rarely) flick into command  Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

On the LR day, we were heading up a hill when we stopped and when I released the brake nothing happened. The LR bloke said that the HDC/Gradient release would stop the car from rolling back until power was applied.

Anyway, of course the auto is easier to drive off road but the LR guy also said that the auto box was much better in the disco and rangie. Same box but for whatever reason the FL2 is a bit more lively with its changes and the kick down jerk is not so noticeable in the disco according to him. Especially so with the new 3.0 TDV6 engine. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

The Doctor wrote:

the auto box was much better in the disco and rangie. Same box but for whatever reason the FL2 is a bit more lively with its changes and the kick down jerk is not so noticeable in the disco according to him.

alex_pescaru wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

the auto box was much better in the disco and rangie. Same box but for whatever reason the FL2 is a bit more lively with its changes and the kick down jerk is not so noticeable in the disco according to him.

Sorry, but seems that lately these LR "specialists" mess up the info quite a bit and the bad thing is that they pass this knowledge to students too.
The RR, RRS and Disco don't have japanese boxes from Aisin Warner, like FL2...
They have german ZF boxes. Totaly different.
ZF 6HP26, six speed auto for RR, RRS and Disco.
A new 8 speed auto box is fitted to RR from 2010, the ZF 8HP.

Interesting. As you say "specialists"  LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

[quote="The Doctor"]On the LR day, we were heading up a hill when we stopped and when I released the brake nothing happened. The LR bloke said that the HDC/Gradient release would stop the car from rolling back until power was applied.

Anyway, of course the auto is easier to drive off road but the LR guy also said that the auto box was much better in the disco and rangie. Same box but for whatever reason the FL2 is a bit more lively with its changes and the kick down jerk is not so noticeable in the disco according to him. Especially so with the new 3.0 TDV6 engine.[/quote]

I can vouch for that  ______________________
2011 Full Fat RR 4.4 TDV8
2012 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE
2013 Kawasaki Versys 650

How is the new car Dave? Been off road yet? LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
LOT (Lord of Time) - University of Gallifrey

Dave, I will be in your neck of woods this weekend, scrutineering on Friday night at John Clark BMW, HQ Thistle Altens, Saturday Service area Edzell. In May Fintray Hill Climb. All FL2's (3) Gone
2011 Mercedes C180 CGI Gone
FL2 GS Auto SD with heated leather, factory tints, alloy spare and a few other bits.

The smoothness on the big vehicles will be to do with weight, and probably linked to the fact that ZF are one of the biggest names in the auto trans business. The 'box on the D3/4 suited my driving style slightly better than the Freelander. Mine: 2012 Golf GTI Edition 35
Family's: 2009 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Auto, Stornoway

Yorkshire - God's County

Big Dave wrote:

The smoothness on the big vehicles will be to do with weight, and probably linked to the fact that ZF are one of the biggest names in the auto trans business.