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tim_roberts



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Possible problem with Tesco diesel?

These stories come up every so often, but when it relates to your own local filling station you start to take notice:

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1148...?ref=var_0

I tend to take these stories with a pinch of salt. After all, Tesco's diesel may not have all the additives that the expensive Shell stuff has, but at the end of the day it has to meet the EC specification.

What's the forum view?

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It would appear from the article that a cleaning solution had been left in the tanks.
I never use supermarket fuel since a friend of mine had a similar problem a few years ago after filling up at a Tesco in Kent then promptly broke down in France.
I now only use Esso or Shell who both price match my local Sainsburys. FL2 SD4 Metropolis Auto Santorini Black / ivory completely stock.

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tim_roberts



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If cleaning solution in the tanker is the real issue, then it could have happened to anyone's fuel - Shell & BP included. It's nothing to do with the fact that it's 'supermarket fuel'

The question is, how would this cause £4,500 of damage to an engine?

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It would not of caused 4500pounds worth of damage directly but the fact that when a common rail diesel injection system becomes contaminated all the related components must be changed !
This would involve tanks, fuel lines, rail, injectors and HP pump etc which with the labour as well mounts to a huge amount.

Diesel systems run at such high pressures and close tolerances the slightest contamination can do extreme damage. Jaguar x-type sport gone
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It all depends on where the supermarkets source their fuel from and who they use to transport it. The large fuel suppliers tend to use dedicated tankers for transportation which will minimise the need to flush the tankers with cleaning solutions.

I have two colleagues with this problem in the last year or so, from two different supermarkets. One blamed cleaning solution in the tanker and the other petrol in the diesel from the tanker not being flushed.

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As oldgeezer says, that is not the cost of the actual damage, it's the cost of repair to manufacturer's specification. If you put petrol in your FR2 and contact Land Rover, be prepared for a massive bill as they change the entire fuel system, even though it's possible that there's no actual damage! Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
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piattj



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BP Ultimate Diesel for me every time Thumbs Up the car just runs better, smoother, quieter than when I put Morrison's diesel in it way back.

I'm happy to pay a little more. I get a consistently happy car Very Happy and a more pleasant journey. ...

Be true to yourself. That way happiness lies...

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In my area BP standard diesel is £1.31 against BP ultimate at £1.39 per litre, that's nearly a 'fiver' extra per fill up. I haven't looked into it yet but surely I can buy these additives in a bottle that may do more than one tank fill at probably a less expensive price !!

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piattj



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You could try ringing up Mr. BP...

EY: "Hello, I'm EY. Please email me the details of your additives and from which emporium one can obtain such condiments."
BP: " Censored off"

... ...

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No need to waste money on a phone call, the BP site tells what their additives supposedly do,

http://mybpstation.com/performance/additives/
http://mybpstation.com/fuels/diesel/

now is there an alternative in a bottle!!

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piattj



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Hmmm...not sure the detail is quite there yet to allow you to buy said adds...

"The most common additives used by BP:

Detergents, dispersants and fuel-deposit-control additives. All of these help clean and prevent engine deposits, which in turn can restore your gas mileage lost to a dirty engine. Fuel-deposit-control additives are in all gasolines, as required by the EPA. Additionally, there is the automotive industry’s voluntary "TOP TIER" program for gasoline detergency standards. TOP TIER requires detergency levels higher than the minimum level set by the EPA.

Corrosion inhibitors and metal deactivators. As they work their way through your engine's four-cycle process, they're helping to prevent rust and corrosion.

Antioxidants and stabilizers. Antioxidants prevent the breakdown of gasoline while stabilizers do just that: stabilize fuel for storage.

ie.. says Censored all really... SO...Want to learn more? Go to www.FuelCertification.com and www.toptiergas.com.

"We appreciate your interest in learning more about transportation fuels and the quality of BP gasoline. As of March 3, 2014, the online training at FuelCertification.com is no longer available. If you completed the training by March 3, 2014, you will receive your certificate of completion in the mail by the end of March 2014." Rolling with laughter ...

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piattj



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...OK

You could try ringing up Mr. BP...

EY: "Hello, I'm EY. Please email me the details of from which emporium one can obtain a bottle of your finest TOP TIER."
BP: " Censored off

... ...

Be true to yourself. That way happiness lies...

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Ah right, so if I'm looking for a scientific explanation, perhaps I could ring you up.

EY: Hi piattj, I'm looking for a scientific explanation that BP Ultimate really does what it says.

piattj:

Quote:
the car just runs better, smoother, quieter


EY: " Censored off"

Laughing

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piattj



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Laughing

EY: "Hello Mr BP, I put some of your fuel in my car and now it's ruined the engine."
BP: "We'd better do something about it. After all, you ARE a customer and we do want to protect our reputation."
Thumbs Up

or...

EY: "Hello Mr BP, I put some of my own additives in when I filled up with your cheaper fuel & now it's ruined."
BP: " Censored off"
Rolling with laughter ...

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Laughing I can see us getting censored with all these 'offs', I have been running the Ultimate for the last 5 fills at my local, suppose with my hearing I won't hear any difference Sad as it sounds like a sewing machine on any fuel Wink

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