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Freely2



Member Since: 29 Jul 2017
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Looking to purchase a MY11-13 FL 2 - TD4 + remap vs SD4

I am looking for a MY11 onwards Freelander and was wondering whether anyone has remapped a TD4 from these models (MY11+) so that it is similar to a SD4?

As far as I can tell for MY11+ that's the only engine difference between the TD4 and SD4?

I am in Sydney and would love to hear from anyone who has had a MY11-13 TD4 remapped locally.

Also can someone please tell me after which year model / VIN was the rear differential issue resolved?
It seems to be MY12 onwards? But I'm not sure if all MY11s suffer from it too.

Thanks!

Post #328014 29th Jul 2017 12:28 pm
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dorsetfreelander



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Loire Blue

Apparently there are some other differences with the SD4, it's not just remapping. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto no real problems
FL2 S 08 reg 100k no problems
FL2 S 10 reg Gearbox, clutch, throttle body, drive shaft, steering reservoir
FL2 GS 60 reg xfer box, diff and wheel bearings
FL2 GS 11 reg gearbox ,hesitation, exhaust sensors, wiper stalk,
FL2 XS 14 reg SD4 Auto , door lock problem @ 29k

Post #328023 29th Jul 2017 2:45 pm
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bxzx16v



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England 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Narvik Black

I'd stick to a standard SD4 over a remapped TD4 .

Mark 2007 FL2 GS Narvik Black
2009 FL2 SE Zermatt Silver

Post #328036 29th Jul 2017 5:46 pm
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taztastic



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Lux Auto Firenze Red

I believe the SD4 has different injectors and bigger turbo, the TD4 can be mapped to gain extra power but the delivery of it is not in SD4 territory, the latter of which can be easily mapped up 220bhp.

Find an SD4 Thumbs Up

Post #328057 29th Jul 2017 9:15 pm
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Lightwater



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Australia 2013 Freelander 2 2.0T SE Auto Fuji White

Have you thought of getting a petrol engine. Ok, they do burn more fuel but depending on your usage it may not make that much difference. I was in my sister's top of the range Evoque the other day & compared to the petrol it really belongs on a farm. The petrol engine is a gem!

Do the numbers on your fuel usage before committing to a diesel.

It is the one thing I listened to my long term mechanic. he said for my usage do not get a diesel.

I only stick 98 or 95 if I have to in the car as you probably know our 91 is rubbish. I did this with my previous car which I had for 250,000 km & 18 years. & over a number of tests found 98 to be a smidgin more economical. If it was not actually more economical there was at the very least less fuel filter issues in the long run.

You don't get any more power out of the car but the engine feels better and you do get more milage out of a tank. 91 is false economy & is costing you more at the mechanic!

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/57606/201...d-off-road This review was a factor in my purchase of the petrol engine.

Unless you are doing regular Australian country kilometres, get a petrol engine. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Roof rails & bars, rubber mat set, body side mouldings, mud flaps, window wind deflectors, LR waterproof front seat covers, extinguisher, carpet in doors, compressor, 20kg roof platform, 28L fridge. Fuji/Almond/Dark Chestnut

Post #328135 31st Jul 2017 9:38 am
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Smallmankey



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Wales 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Mauritius Blue

Lightwater - I envy you that you even had the option of a Petrol.
I am aware that my usage isn't really idea for a Diesel but sadly I didn't have the option to go Petrol here in the UK Smile

Post #328143 31st Jul 2017 10:35 am
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Freely2



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Thank you for the answers.

Can someone point me to a technical file that supports the idea that the SD4 has a different turbo or injectors. I have looked hard for this and cannot find it.

I have, however, read elsewhere that the part numbers for the SD4 and TD4 engines components were exactly the same. But again with no supportive documentation links.

There is a very nice TD4 with a sunroof that I'm in love with but I really would like the extra torque of the SD4 model. But if it is a matter of reprogramming the ECU I would take that TD4 in an instant.

Post #328309 2nd Aug 2017 1:22 am
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Freely2



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The only parts website I can find does not describe separate parts for SD4 vs TD4 but rather calls it a single turbo short block diesel.

http://new.lrcat.com/#!/12111/57488/58343

Post #328310 2nd Aug 2017 4:42 am
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RogB



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

the TD4 can be remapped quite comfortably to 190bhp, just be careful not to take the torque much higher than standard.
Your biggest difference in smoothness of acceleration and in gear, making it feel faster at the very least plus improved economy in most cases.

the SD4 can be remapped easily up to 220bhp

If you really like the TD4 you have seen and it ticks all your other boxes then go for it, try it in standard for a bit and then maybe remap if you still feel the need. 2001 FL1 TD4 GS Auto 3 Door Tonga Green
2000 D2 TD5 GS Auto Oslo Blue
2004 FL1 TD4 Auto 3 door Bonatti Grey
2007 FL2 TD4 GS Manual Stornoway Grey
2008 FL2 TD4 GS Manual Alaska White
2010 FL2 TD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black
2012 Evoque SD4 Pure Manual Santorini Black (sadly a wrecked lemon from the LR dealer)
2013 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE Orkney Grey

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dondiddy



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United Kingdom 2012 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Firenze Red

The torque figures are exactly the same for both TD4 and SD4 engines, the SD4 produces more BHP But will have a lot of that power soaked up by the autobox. (SD4 only available as an auto)You would have to drive each model and see what you think. There is no real point in basing any decision you make on "paper" specs of different engines. If you can get behind the wheel and see how they perform in real life then go from there. On a different note has anyone retrofitted an SD4 engine into a TD4 manual car then had it remapped? I would think it would go like one of those stinky slippy shovel things Rolling with laughter

Post #328322 2nd Aug 2017 8:15 am
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Freely2



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The Land Rover VIN check website makes the comment "power limitation"

The following site only lists the SD4 turbocharger at 190PS for models after 2010 (I suspect they mean MY11+)


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When I wrote to Land Rober they would not tell me what the engine difference is between the MY11 TD4 and MY11 SD4 and said they were minor and that the same workshop manual can be used for both although the manual only talks about the TD4 engine.

My conclusion therefore is the TD4 uses the same engine but has it's power limited by the ECU to 110 kw. The turbo seems to be a Mitsubishi TD04V vs the Garrett in the older TD4s (2006-2011).

Hope this is helpful to someone looking to choose between vehicles. I have pulled the trigger on the 2011 TD4 with a sunroof and black wheels - next step - in a few months - remap the ECU to make it a SD4 Smile

Thank you everyone for your help!!

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