OK so originally I was looking at a brand new FL2, but myself and the dealer couldn't reach an acceptable (to me) price to change so today I went to look at another dealer and also had a look at their used stock.

They have a 2008 08 HSE which looks pretty nice and the cost to change could be around £7.5k vs. around £19.5k for a new vehicle.

Whilst I'm fortunate that I could go for the new one, it feels like too much money - especially if I may decide in a years time that I want to change (the depreciation on my current car feels bad enough after 4.5 years).

So, anything I need to be aware of that is a major difference between an 08 TD4 manual and a current TD4?

Thanks.

The new TD4 has 10 less bhp but a little more torque (not sure how much more). Its supposedly more refined too. There is the SD4 which is more powerful of course but thats dearer still. Don't think there is any gearbox differences. Obvious advantage is warranty and breakdown with new cars and residual values have gone up recently for 4x4's cos of all the snow. Pros and cons to both, test driving both is the key. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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The new TD4 is "greener" with less emissions so road tax is cheaper, can be from £200 to £155 I believe unless you own a TD4e then it's £180 to £155.
Also more economical and stop/start incorporated on the manual

Just gone from MY08 td4 to MY11 td4.
The difference is quite stggering.
The new one is more refined, quieter and dow more mpg. At speed it feels less pushed.
The power from the engine alothough 10ps less is better spread - no huge push that you got from the old one.

Suspension is better damped - speed humps and pot holes although never a real problem are not a problem at all now.

Less 4x4 and more RRS!!!

The only downside seems to be pick up from low revs in too high a gear - the old one seems more able to do this but it may be that the new one will be better once it has more miles under its belt. There's always a way forward!

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Thanks all so far. Not really sounding like £12k's worth so far tbh "new car feel" aside of course.

DrownedRat wrote:

Suspension is better damped...

SPNRACING wrote:

DrownedRat wrote:

Suspension is better damped...

The suspension is... the same?

Have to agree ride seems better in MY11 TD4 over 07 TD4. Also believe that there is more soundproofing in the MY11 which could explain why it is quieter.

The new MY11 Freelander has numerous differences inside (vs MY10):
1. New engine, now called DuraTorq DOHC CR DI 190PS.
2. New water-cooled turbocharger. This is really a good news, since the old MY10 was not water-cooled.
3. New fuel injectors. Dunno whats the difference, but they are 2x cheaper than MY10. Hope they are more reliable than the old ones, which failed frequently.
4. EGR system has cooler bypass valve (in MY2010 EGR is always cooled), what can probably lead to better engine performance/start in low temp.
5. New intercooler (probably to match new turbocharger).
6. New TCM (transmission control module), although transmission is the same AWF21.
7. other not-so-cool things, such as rear differential, driveshaft, FFBH, etc... still not sure about suspension, will see.

Note, that 150PS version has exactly the same powertrain as 190PS and seems to be nothing more than software-power-limited version of 190PS. So owners of 150PS MY11 have a good chance to cheap upgrade to 190PS in the nearest future.

The difference between MY08 and MY11 is colossal, since (besides other stuff) MY08 uses Haldex gen3 (which sucks), and since MY09 all Freel2 (incl. MY11) use Haldex gen4 (which rules! ). In other words, MY08 is completely different car, dont take it if you can afford MY11.

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A very interesting first post

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npinks wrote:

A very interesting first post

Welcome Howl

Thanks npinks,

If someone knows more differences, let's discuss them here... I own MY11 150PS just a month, the car is awesome on our slippery and snowy winter roads... At first i thought it's really just a facelift, but it isn't, the engine is really new. For now, the most interesting question for me is how to make 190PS from my 150.

Indeed, the suspension in MY11 has minor differences from MY10. For example, the front frame assy is new and has a special anti-vibration damper (which seems to be missing in MY10 and older). IMHO this is really the thing which can cause MY11 to feel softer and quieter on the road. Rear suspension is basically the same. Shock absorbers and springs are the same.

howl wrote:

1. New engine, now called DuraTorq DOHC CR DI 190PS.

alex_pescaru wrote:

howl wrote:

1. New engine, now called DuraTorq DOHC CR DI 190PS.

So it's a Ford engine after all, not an PSA anymore...
Or at least there is more Ford involvment than the old PSA...
This is why they have different injectors.

Exactly! No more french engines! Wikipedia has a good article about Ford DuraTorq
(code name "Puma") engines, seems that ours is "made in England" by Ford.

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But history tell us that not even the injectors that equipped Ford engines wasn't so reliable...

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As for the FFBH, they switch from the old ThermoTop V to ThermoTop C by any chance?

[quote] Exactly! No more french engines! Wikipedia has a good article about Ford DuraTorq
(code name "Puma") engines, seems that ours is "made in England" by Ford.[quote]

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