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EyeSix



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver
Replacement for older TD4 SD4 & i6 engines

As many Freelander 2, both diesel and petrol are now over 150,000 miles, engines will need to be overhauled or rebuilt.

My own i6 which is just about to turn 105,000, still feels and drives like a new car. But I have a feeling the body will outlive the engine.

Purists who want to replace like for like, will certainly go for the rebuild route, but perhaps there is an alternative.

Enter the Ford EcoBoost 2.0 240hp, as seen in export models of the late Freelander 2, as well as the Evoque and Discovery Sport.

Not is it only a current engine, the fitment components must surely exist for the Freelander2. Ford already sell the unit new to the aftermarket.

Here's a refurbed example on eBay, described as an AWD unit: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114921268617?hash=item1ac1d76589:g:W9MAAOSwPeVb0L5N Prices seem to be around the £2.5k mark.

I do understand that LR will have made certain tweaks to the unit and it's not just a question of just lowering it into a vacant engine bay, but I wondered if anybody else had thought about this?


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1997 Range Rover p38 4.6 V8
2003 Range Rover L322 4.4V8
1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 V8
2003 Land Rover 90 Td5
2000 Range Rover p38 2.5dHSE
1975 Land Rover 90 SIII 2.25 petrol
1996 Range Rover p38 4.0 V8
1990 Discovery 3.5i V8 (3 door)
1973 Range Rover Classic 3.5 V8 (2 door, ex-Police)


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Bobupndown



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

Might there not be engine management and emissions issues? Not as simple as it once was throwing a different engine into a car. Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
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EyeSix



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver
ECU and emissions

Good point.

But as LR put this engine in the export Freelander Si4, the bits may be around.

I don't think for a minute that it would be simple – but perhaps not impossible. Zermatt Silver LR2 i6

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1997 Range Rover p38 4.6 V8
2003 Range Rover L322 4.4V8
1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 V8
2003 Land Rover 90 Td5
2000 Range Rover p38 2.5dHSE
1975 Land Rover 90 SIII 2.25 petrol
1996 Range Rover p38 4.0 V8
1990 Discovery 3.5i V8 (3 door)
1973 Range Rover Classic 3.5 V8 (2 door, ex-Police)

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merlinj79



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Impossible in California, they won't let you deviate one tiny bit from the vehicle's original, certified emissions configuration.

Unless somebody does a lot of R&D and dyno testing to prove it's better or at least no worse than original, and gets the modification certified by the state.

Oddly, they don't care about safety whatsoever, since the low income immigrant demographic here apparently needs to drive around in rusted out, overloaded, heavy duty pickups with four bald recap tires and skreeching brakes. They apparently can't even afford air to put in their bald tires.

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Bobupndown



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 GS Auto Orkney Grey

Watched a few YouTube videos called "just rolled in" frightening the state some Americans drive their cars in. 😲

 Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

It's pretty impossible to install a non standard engine into a modern vehicle like the FL2. There's simply too much electronic integration between the ECM and other modules in the vehicle.

In most cases, the body will fail the MOT before the engine needs replacing.
The DW12 2.2 diesel is good for at least 300k miles, if serviced correctly, so there's no point in even thinking about changing it. The i6 should be good for 250k, which again is more than long enough to outlast the body. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Soon to be sold.
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EyeSix



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver
Safety - what safety!?

merlinj79 wrote:
Oddly, they don't care about safety whatsoever, since the low income immigrant demographic here apparently needs to drive around in rusted out, overloaded, heavy duty pickups with four bald recap tires and skreeching brakes. They apparently can't even afford air to put in their bald tires.


Lordy! I remember about 5 years ago at Boston Airport car rental, having specced a Mustang convertible, I was handed a Chevy Caprice, which although clean, had scratches and dents all over it!

Mind you, with a 300hp V6 under the hood, it went very well! Zermatt Silver LR2 i6

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1997 Range Rover p38 4.6 V8
2003 Range Rover L322 4.4V8
1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 V8
2003 Land Rover 90 Td5
2000 Range Rover p38 2.5dHSE
1975 Land Rover 90 SIII 2.25 petrol
1996 Range Rover p38 4.0 V8
1990 Discovery 3.5i V8 (3 door)
1973 Range Rover Classic 3.5 V8 (2 door, ex-Police)

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EyeSix



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

merlinj79 wrote:
Impossible in California, they won't let you deviate one tiny bit from the vehicle's original, certified emissions configuration.


I suppose I was banking on the fact that Land Rover put the Si4 engine into the export-only Freelander 2 from 2015 Zermatt Silver LR2 i6

Previous

1997 Range Rover p38 4.6 V8
2003 Range Rover L322 4.4V8
1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 V8
2003 Land Rover 90 Td5
2000 Range Rover p38 2.5dHSE
1975 Land Rover 90 SIII 2.25 petrol
1996 Range Rover p38 4.0 V8
1990 Discovery 3.5i V8 (3 door)
1973 Range Rover Classic 3.5 V8 (2 door, ex-Police)

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EyeSix



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 i6 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

Nodge68

Nodge68 wrote:
In most cases, the body will fail the MOT before the engine needs replacing. The DW12 2.2 diesel is good for at least 300k miles, if serviced correctly, so there's no point in even thinking about changing it. The i6 should be good for 250k, which again is more than long enough to outlast the body.



Fair comment. Thanks for your input. Zermatt Silver LR2 i6

Previous

1997 Range Rover p38 4.6 V8
2003 Range Rover L322 4.4V8
1989 Range Rover Classic 3.9 V8
2003 Land Rover 90 Td5
2000 Range Rover p38 2.5dHSE
1975 Land Rover 90 SIII 2.25 petrol
1996 Range Rover p38 4.0 V8
1990 Discovery 3.5i V8 (3 door)
1973 Range Rover Classic 3.5 V8 (2 door, ex-Police)

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MRRover75



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Norway 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Manual Tambora Flame

Nodge68 wrote:
It's pretty impossible to install a non standard engine into a modern vehicle like the FL2. There's simply too much electronic integration between the ECM and other modules in the vehicle.

In most cases, the body will fail the MOT before the engine needs replacing.
The DW12 2.2 diesel is good for at least 300k miles, if serviced correctly, so there's no point in even thinking about changing it. The i6 should be good for 250k, which again is more than long enough to outlast the body.


I do also support this statement. Corrosion to the body and gearbox/drivetrain problems will be the issues that will send our cars to the scrappers. If the 2.2 diesel are serviced regularly, it will without any problems outlive the rest of the car. Its biggest threats are broken camshaft (2007 models only!?) and failing swirl flaps that get drawn into the combustion chamber. Broken timing belt should not be any issue if replaced on schedule.

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