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xCiNx



Member Since: 08 May 2021
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Czech Republic 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Lago Grey
freelander 2 starting issue

Hello ,

im in need of someone with more knowledge then me Smile

im kinda able to identify whats going on and i think that i know the main problem why my freelander 2 (btw my first car that i bought from my money , so im in love with that car even if it is older car Very Happy so i want to bring it back to life )

Car was driving fine until it had a issue with stalling few times and then it stalled one last time and from that moment its not possible to start it , it cranks . it has , or atleast obd2 says so , fuel pressure . but simply wont start , i have newly done the timing belt (like 1000km before this happened)

now : when i want to start the car it cranks , shows zero rpm on the rpm indicator , there is no fuel flow from injectors .

my question is , can it be CKP sensor ? i think it is or probably also the CMP sensor ?

only code that i have is P0698(16) Sensor reference voltage C - circuit low .. sadly in this case im unable to identify what is going on and what i have to do to bring my car back to road Smile


if anyone can help me out , or point me where to learn more , that would be great Smile

thank you all

Post #407509 9th May 2021 12:10 pm
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Andy131



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Possible throttle body.
There is a butterfly type valve in the air intake, it's job is to shut off the air when you stop the car, the plastic gears fail over time. The can often cause the butterfly to fail in the closed position (spring loaded) shutting off the air and the car can refuse to start or only tickover.

The car will function perfectly well without it - mine did for 3 weeks while I waited to fit a replacement, The AA guy rammed a screwdriver through mine as a get me home. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Post #407511 9th May 2021 12:17 pm
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xCiNx



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hello , forgot to mention that this i already changed about a year ago Smile as the old one was exactly in that shape as you said , the plastic gear was stripped and could move only a lets say last 20% or so

Post #407512 9th May 2021 12:24 pm
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Andy131



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The OBD reader should show rpm while the engine cranks, if it doesn't this suggests that the crankshaft position sensor isn't working Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Post #407516 9th May 2021 2:31 pm
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xCiNx



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yea , this i checked and i get a 250ish rpm while cranking .. so this is probably correct , fuel pressure 750kpa . and still P698(16) . i was searching in forums and seems like that the CMP sensor is needed for the engine to start and CKP sensor is needed to keep the engine runnin . i ordered both sensors and once they are here i will change them , only one that will be tricky is the CMP sensor - not because the coolant hose above it but because if i mess up i can damage the engine , or atleast this is in the LR manual . Smile thank you for the replies , hopefully i can solve it . the high pressure pump was by specialist and they said that it is aboslutely fine and working is intended .

Post #407523 9th May 2021 3:25 pm
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gasman



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If the Crankshaft Position Sensor was working you would see about 200rpm on the rev. counter whilst cranking the engine. If yours is showing 0 then you are correct to replace it.
As for the Cam Position Sensor, it will only go in one way. Once it is in place and you can put the the small securing bolt back in, it is in the correct position. Now at the point when I learn something new something old is lost out the other side !
Now retired so it doesn't matter anymore.
Freelander now gone.

Post #407531 9th May 2021 5:06 pm
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xCiNx



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thank you for the reply , im kinda scared for the CMP sensor .. in the manual there are some things that worries me Very Happy but hopefully i can solve . hell im installing rotax engines in work to bush planes so i should be able to fix this , right ? Very Happy
i also asked my father in law to help me with diag , hes a chief in a small car shop and they use some expensive diag and i suppose that should tell me even more .

im truly grateful for all the help from you guys , thank you very much !

Post #407541 9th May 2021 7:43 pm
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bomeo



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Don t forget to tell us how did you solved this.

Post #407547 9th May 2021 9:03 pm
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xCiNx



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today i changed the sensors both crank and cam . nothing . i have a steady value of fuel pressure when cranking around 26000-28000kpa but it simply wont start , bought also a diag , chinesse one with SDD support but couldnt made it to work Sad so not sure whats going on .

kinda getting sad that i will probably wont be able to solve it , i will try to clean the injectors but not sure if it helps , not sure if the glowplugs can also affect this .. tried a new battery today also nothing

Sad

Post #407656 12th May 2021 7:49 pm
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Andy131



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Fairly sure that she should start with dead glowplugs if the temperature is above 10C.

You could always try Bradex "Easy Start" get someone to crank her over while spraying a one second burst into the air intake box. If there is no fuel coming through the engine will run for a couple of seconds until the Easy start is used up. If fuel is coming through it WILL start on Easy start and then continue to run on the diesel.

Any longer than a second AND the glowplugs are working and the backfire into the airbox will wake up he neighbors.

If in any doubt first remove the air filter - saves it catching fire, You do not have a "Special Case" and need to squirt several seconds into the air intake, if she will not start with a short burst then something physical is wrong such as snapped timing belt / broken camshaft and you should be looking at a compression test - it's a compression engine, fuel + air + compression = start Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

Post #407662 12th May 2021 8:51 pm
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alex_pescaru



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The P0698(16) error is telling that the voltage (at least one of them) needed for the digital sensors to work is missing or (16) "bellow normal".
This voltage is generated by the engine ECU and it is, generally, a 5V voltage.
Because it is easier to access, disconnect the camshaft sensor connector, switch the ignition ON, but do not start/crank the engine and measure the voltage between connector pin no. 1 and engine block. It should be 5 volts.
In fact, as the connector is with 3 pins, measure the voltage between left pin and engine block and right pin and engine block because it may be difficult to tell which is pin1 and which is pin3. One of them must be 5V.
If not, there is a problem with engine ECU that is not supplying those 5V to any sensors and therefore there is no way you can start the engine.

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Post #407663 12th May 2021 8:52 pm
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xCiNx



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Ill try to start it with a help of easy start i already tried brake cleaner

I also measured all the connectors .the camshafthas 5v , bu strangly aslo 12v to the mid one , i will make a more precise measuring once i get bavk from work as i will have to stay there longerfor test flights of newly built plane and a programming of electronic module for a prototype plane Smile

Thsnk you all for help and support

Post #407667 12th May 2021 11:14 pm
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bomeo



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12V on the middle pin ? This must be an error. On the middle pin the signal is present only when the engine cranks and cannot exceed 5V.

Post #407669 13th May 2021 6:50 am
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xCiNx



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If i measure to the ground , i get on pin 1 5V , middle pin 11,5 or so , nothing on the third pin (as it is ground)
If i measure to the plus side on the battery
7,5v on the pin one , 1,05 on the middle pin and 12,5 on the third one .

Truth is thats really does not make any sense , i will try to measure the middle one while cranking also

Post #407693 13th May 2021 4:12 pm
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Nodge68



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 SE Manual Rimini Red

If you're getting around 12 Volts at the signal pin, then surely this is an internal error in the ECM, or more likely a wire shorted, causing a higher voltage on the signal wire. 2009 Rimini Red SE TD4. Soon to be sold.
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