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superspeed3065



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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Firenze Red
OIL

Hi, For my 13reg Freelander 2 SD4 the book says the qualification for engine oil in Sd4 is to meet Ford 934 if it has a dpf . I have oil already that qualifies Ford 913 which the book says is the recommendation for non dpf vehicles. Is it detrimental to use the 913?
As an anecdote, The engine filter was an absolute b*gger to get off. Had to get a short impact socket , six sided because mine were 12 sided and too long and then use a ratchet with a hinged handle. Had to lever the socket on with a long tyre lever from above to get it to click on with the plastic clip thingy's not wanting me to use a ring spanner and a normal spanner just bending the hex then slipping off. Maybe past servicing had put it on way too tight or hadn't been off for years.

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AJ918



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Engine oil for vehicles with diesel particulate filters (DPF) must have low ash oils that meet the recommend specification. Within the combustion process a small amount of engine oil is burnt off (don't worry this is by design), hence why you need to regularly check and top up levels in-between services. These burnt off bits of oil could potentially, and very quickly, block or permanently damage a DPF (through physical particles and DPF damaging burnt oil gases). This is where a Low SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous, Sulphur) motor oil comes in, it's basically a low Sulphated Ash, Phosphorous and Sulphur based oil, if a normal engine oil was used these elements could quickly block and the gases could terminally damage the internal structure of a DPF.

C1 5w-30 Oils Are:-

Engine C1 5w-30 spec Castrol Edge Professional, Ford WSS-M2C934-B, ACEA C1 now latest spec ST JLR 03.5005

Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF-L 5W-30
Mobil Super 3000 Formula C1 5W-30
TOTAL QUARTZ INEO C1 5W-30
TRIPLE QX Synplus (C1) Engine Oil - 5W-30 - 5ltr
Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO C-1 5W-30 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil
Comma Ecolife 5W-30 Motor Engine Oil FORD WSS-M2C934-B ACEA C1 Low SAPS ECL5L
Millers XF Premium Engine Oil C1 5w30
Millers Trident Professional C1 5w30
Petronas Syntium 5000 FJ 5W-30
Liqui Moly TOP TEC 4500 5W-30 ART 2318
RAVENOL FLJ 5W-30 Engine Oil
Aral HighTronic C1 5W-30
Castrol Edge Professional C1 5w-30

I use Millers XF Premium C1 5w-30. With regard to removing the oil filter this is best done from below with a 27mm flexi ratchet combination spanner.

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superspeed3065



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AJ918 , Thank you very much for the informant answer to my question. Now I will go get some 934. We used to sell Millers oils in our farm shop years ago but now my son who is "Plantfitter.com" sells "Rock Oils" within his business and to the motorcycle race clan that he is involved with as a racer but I am not sure they qualify 934. The filter that I had gritted teeth humour with was attacked from underneath , only long tyre lever from above. I prob distorted the clips on the filter case nut after the 27mm long spanner slipped off under the severe strain of trying to move it. Then I couldn't get the 12 sided ring end of the spanner over the nut so managed to get the short six sided socket levered /clipped on and with a 14"inch long hinged ratchet on the socket it decided to move!. On the Discovery 3 we had the filter was in the vee of the engine and couldn't have been easier to remove.

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Bobupndown



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The flex headed 27mm ratchet spanner is your friend.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112404936539 Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

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I Like Chips



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Rock Oil have a C1 5w-30 oil on sale


https://www.southernlubricants.co.uk/lube-...c-1-5w-30/

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superspeed3065



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Thanks BOBUPNDOWN, I will have to get a flex head ratchet , just when you have all the tools in the world and start a small job you realise there is one more that you need!

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superspeed3065



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Thanks I LIKE CHIPS for looking the oil up, Son (plantfitter.com) couldn't be bothered looking and holds 3 different 5-30's in stock and Rock Oil site for me isn't the best to find specific criteria.

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Bobupndown



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superspeed3065 wrote:
Thanks BOBUPNDOWN, I will have to get a flex head ratchet , just when you have all the tools in the world and start a small job you realise there is one more that you need!


I was stumped the first time I attempted an oil change on the F2 also, my 27mm socket and ratchet weren't even nearly doing the job and short of removing the radiator and intercooler I decided it would wait until the special bendy spanner arrived.

Another vote for Millers XF Premium C1 5w-30. 👍 Landrover - turning owners into mechanics since 1948

2014 Orkney grey Freelander SD4 GS.
2004 Zambezi silver Discovery 2 Td5 (Gone)
1963 Surf blue Morris Mini Minor Super de Luxe (my little toy)

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jules



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

I would also include Smith & Allan lubricants in the list of alternative suppliers



Their Momentum C1 oil meets specs:
Ford WSS-M2C934-B
Jaguar Land Rover ST JLR.03.5005

£25 /5L inc delivery

https://www.smithandallan.com/products/pas...-m2c934-b/

(No connection other than being a customer for several years) Jules

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PRadd



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+1 for Smith & Allan 2014 Freelander 2 TD4 Manual Dynamic
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superspeed3065



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My 27ml Kamaza is 12 sided on the ring end and just squeezed and then jumped , maybe to do with the clips on the hex of the filter housing, the half inch square drive long swivel ratchet and a shallow six sided impact socket got it off. nothing 12 sided was going to get it off. I have wondered if the previous servicers ever took it off or just over tightened it.
Anyway, all done now and I ended up with Petronas oil but won't be joining F1 because of that!

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jules



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When I change my filter I just nip it up (about 25Nm I'd guess), yet its always very tight to remove.
Do pixies tighten up when Im not looking ? Very Happy Jules

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superspeed3065



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It was one of plantfitter.com guys who landed with the ratchet and he put it back on as well so maybe need a long bar on the ratchet to shake it loose next time Laughing

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