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moestr7v8



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Re-mapping the TD4

Hi all looking for info on having our car re-mapped, what would be the advantages to this, what's involved and what sort of cost would be involved, any help on this will be much appreciated.
Cheers
Moe

Post #398375 15th Oct 2020 9:49 pm
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jules



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I have no experience with remapping FL2 but have had four previous cars remapped.
There are basically two types of remap - generic and bespoke.

Generic is where a pre-written map is overwritten onto your ECU - it should be fine but wont necessarily be perfect. The mapping process varies - sometimes a dongle writes via the OBD other times its more complicated. (My BMW's ECU had to be removed, heated in an oven then the circuit board very carefully connected to a laptop using a magnifying glass.)

Bespoke - creates an individual map based on rolling road data- costs more obviously.

Stage 1 maps require nothing extra. As you move to stage 2 and above you need extras like bigger intercoolers, turbo, , airflow and injectors etc

Prices vary: start £500ish and go as far as your wallet will allow.

Advantages depend upon how bad your car was to start with. It can smooth out the torque delivery as well as hugely increasing torque and BHP. All my remaps were diesel and generic and gave very noticeable improvements - starting at about about 40-50BHP extra plus loads of torque. You tend to get bigger increases with diesel rather than petrol engines. More power requires more fuel to be burnt so dont expect a remap to improve MPG. It can if it allows you to operate in a higher gear earlier.
I never did it to improve fuel economy though.

I never regretted having the remaps. But I couldnt see the point of doing anything with my FL2. Jules

Post #398378 15th Oct 2020 10:43 pm
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dorsetfreelander



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Just a thought but if your car is a manual then be aware that the engine can produce more torque than the gearbox can handle so that the ECU limits engine torque to keep it within limits. Your remapping needs to take this into consideration. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
5 x FL2 4 manual + 1 auto
Now Discovery Sport P250 MHEV SE

Post #398401 16th Oct 2020 9:47 am
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RogB



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There is a remap specialist near me, who has generically remapped an insignia, an SD4 FL2 and SD4 Evoque for me. Whilst the FL2 and Evoque didn't physically show much increase in power on the road but were much smoother to drive and hence felt faster.
These remaps cost between £150-200 and were classed as stage 1 so no other mods needed

Moving onto my current Land Rover which is a Discovery 4, ive just splashed the cash at Alive Tuning who are specialists in Land Rovers and in particular the D4 3.0 diesel.
I didn't go on the rolling road as that was fully booked for months but they created a bench bespoke remap for me, giving me an increase of 50bhp and 100Nm torque..... and boy is it noticeable!! smoother power delivery, slightly better MPG and definitely faster (Alive claim a 0-60 of 7 secs down from 8.5secs standard)
They charge £475 for this stage 1 remap.

Post #398403 16th Oct 2020 9:53 am
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tim_roberts



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I did the Bluefin remap a couple of years ago. It cost about £350 I think, but you have to be fairly computer-savvy to do it yourself (and have access to the internet and a Windows pc with USB ports).

Performance was improved noticeably - even now I sometimes floor it just for the sheer joy of it - but no noticeable difference to fuel economy.

I should add that I am normally a very light-footed driver and I get 42mpg on a long motorway run driving at 65-70mph, and that hasn't changed.

Post #398413 16th Oct 2020 11:30 am
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Mattmjones



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A good remapper for Freelander 2s is Jamie Cox at JC Tuning. Based in Darlington but offers a mobile service too I believe: http://www.jctuning.co.uk/

No direct experience but I know a lot of people who have had Stage 1 remaps of their TD4s with good results.

Post #398422 16th Oct 2020 12:44 pm
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RogB



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these are based in Newquay so not a million miles from you

https://www.celtictuning.co.uk/services/pe...t3-content

Post #398427 16th Oct 2020 2:04 pm
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moestr7v8



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Hi all, thanks for all the replies very helpful advice, I think with the current possible lockdown this idea will probably be put on hold.
It certainly gives you food for thought though and I think it would be the stage 1 remap.
Thank you all for the information.
Cheers
Moe

Post #398444 16th Oct 2020 7:25 pm
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DaveS44



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Is the SD4 effectively a TD4 with a different manufacturers map ? LR2 SD4 GS
D2 TD5 S

Post #398445 16th Oct 2020 7:44 pm
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alex_pescaru



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Like Jules said, there are generic stage1 maps that are more than enough.
And some are freely available and able to be programmed through SDD, like any other module firmware.
ADACT company (Russia) made available such stage1 tuning maps for FL2s cold countries firmware version and I've packed those maps into the ECU data VBF file in order to be easier flashed through SDD.
Many have used it with positive and satisfying results.
But again, before asking for them, they are for 9G92-12K532-VWA data maps, which are for EDC16 ECUs (MY2007-MY2010).

Post #398446 16th Oct 2020 7:49 pm
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IanMetro



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DaveS44 wrote:
Is the SD4 effectively a TD4 with a different manufacturers map ?


You may well be right, I can't spot the other differences, here's the JLR press release.

https://media.landrover.com/en-gb/news/201...eelander-2

More JLR press releases for the FL2

https://media.landrover.com/en-gb/vehicle/freelander-2

PS for years the computer industry has slowed down cheaper versions by software or capacity restrictions. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 76k+ miles) (MY2015)

Post #398458 16th Oct 2020 9:45 pm
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alex_pescaru



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DaveS44 wrote:
Is the SD4 effectively a TD4 with a different manufacturers map ?

As hardware is concerned, if you are referring to the 2007-2010 TD4 vs SD4, then different turbo, different ECU, etc....
If you are referring to the 2010+ TD4 vs. SD4, then yes, the same hardware with different software.

Post #398460 16th Oct 2020 10:52 pm
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jules



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So if you want to remap a TD4 its probably better to remao a late model rather than an early one. Jules

Post #398465 17th Oct 2020 12:12 am
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jules



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IanMetro wrote:


PS for years the computer industry has slowed down cheaper versions by software or capacity restrictions.


IIRC After the 386 CPU, Intel launched the 486 processor in two versions; the SX and DX. They were both the same except that the math coprocessor was turned off in the cheaper 486SX CPU. Jules

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rovertechwm



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alex_pescaru wrote:
Like Jules said, there are generic stage1 maps that are more than enough.
And some are freely available and able to be programmed through SDD, like any other module firmware.
ADACT company (Russia) made available such stage1 tuning maps for FL2s cold countries firmware version and I've packed those maps into the ECU data VBF file in order to be easier flashed through SDD.
Many have used it with positive and satisfying results.
But again, before asking for them, they are for 9G92-12K532-VWA data maps, which are for EDC16 ECUs (MY2007-MY2010).


So is it possible to add a remapped bin into the CCF file?

Thanks

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