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Flanagan



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Thanks again. I don't believe the end of the bolt has enough thread there to clean.

This is the start of a body repair which will involve replacing the wing and driver's door after a side impact.

I spoke to the repair shop who will be doing the work in August, explaining I was making a start and was told to 'just leave it'. They like to remove stuff themselves so they know how it goes back. "There's always a way around jammed bolts" they said, "Don't worry".

So I've put it back together again.

Thanks very much for all the replies - what a lovely bunch!


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Threads on my metal screws were completely gone.... got some new metal bumper screws with nuts and drilled a couple of new holes in the plastic in appropriate spots. All easy and while might have looked pretty rough to the Mrs who wanted to know why i was drilling holes in the car, turned out just fine.

Went plastic nuts again as easy to undo by hand.

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Simple way is remove plastic nuts refix using star lock washers
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gasman wrote:
Scrap the old plastic nuts, clean the threads as others have said and fit some new stainless steel flange nuts. That's what I did with mine and have had no bother since. Put some copper slip on the thread before putting the nuts on. Thumbs Up


I did the same a few weeks ago. Got the plastic nuts off fairly easily by turning anticlockwise with a small mole grip and pulling at the same time. Carefully cleaned the threads (the bolts appear welded to the body) with a die turned by hand. Then replaced with stainless washer and lock nut after waxoyling the thread. Used a lock nut so I dont need to tighten it down too much and risk snapping the thread. Jules

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Flanagan



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The local supplier MM 4X4 told me that LR insist the head of the bolt (RYG501390) must be welded to the frame so I can't see how it can be replaced without welding equipment. Cleaning up the threads and replacing nuts with ss seems most sensible.

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Mild steel bolt plus stainless steel nut in a nice moist position equals even more corrosion due to dissimilar metals causing electrolytic corrosion. I’d rather use plastic nuts.

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yes - I would be concerned with galvanic/electrolytic corrosion also.... I have seen this well in effect on Series ones where dissimilar metals can cause big issues & concerning corrosion

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Flanagan



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Flanagan



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jules wrote:

I ... cleaned the threads .. with a die turned by hand.


Thanks Jules. I'll need to buy the die as I don't have one. Is it M12?

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No mate. I used a M6 x 1 die. M6 bolt is 6mm in diameter. M12 is 12mm in diameter.

The others have a point about galvanic corrosion with stainless nuts on mild steel bolts - but the plastic nuts didnt do a good job either. Rock and a hard place I think. Jules

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PRadd wrote:
yes - I would be concerned with galvanic/electrolytic corrosion also.... I have seen this well in effect on Series ones where dissimilar metals can cause big issues & concerning corrosion


Im sure the metallurgists on here will correct me .
Yes, aluminium against mild steel corrodes very badly as aluminium is a reactive metal protected by a only molecule thick oxide layer. The bane of owning old Landrovers.

IIRC In my training days mercury containing blood pressure devices and thermometers were never allowed inside aero-medical transfer helicopters as a broken thermometer could leak to perforation of the fuselage. The mercury forms an amalgam with aluminium and the reaction continues down into the aluminium structure.

However the reaction between stainless steel and mild steel is much less "agressive" I believe, but still something to avoid. Jules

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I take the point about galvanic corrosion (didnt really think about it at the time) and have ordered some black M6 nylon nuts (25 for £3.95) Jules

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Flanagan



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jules wrote:
No mate. I used a M6 x 1 die. M6 bolt is 6mm in diameter. M12 is 12mm in diameter.

The others have a point about galvanic corrosion with stainless nuts on mild steel bolts - but the plastic nuts didnt do a good job either. Rock and a hard place I think.


Thanks, I'll stick to plastic and have bought some new black nuts from LR. The local dealer said the nuts were M6 and the bolts M12. The nuts don't seem to be threaded so I thought perhaps the bolt would cut it's own thread. I've ordered an M6 die on your suggestion (guessing M6 x 1.0mm). Thanks again.

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Flanangan - yes thats the die I used from my set of taps & dies.

The bolt has a thread a bit like a tap so its will cut a thread in a blank nylon nut.

Not sure sure how the local dealers thinks a M6 nut will fit on a M12 bolt though Surprised Jules

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M6 x 12mm long perhaps?

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