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Lightwater



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Waeco fridge AM radio interference

The Waeco fridge's compressor interferes with the AM radio. I like to listen to ABC (a smaller BBC)! It is ok in the city where there is a strong signal, but in the outback, the weaker the signal the more difficult it is to hear the radio. Obviously Murphy gets involved & bug_ers up the sound whenever there is something interesting. The compressor's timing is impeccable!

I have mostly used sarking tape & a bit of heavier aluminium tape. To get the tape into the tight spots I double back some backing paper. In the really difficult areas where it was hard to pull the tail of the backing paper off I made 3 sections. This works really well. (save large pieces of backing paper)

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The shielding is around as much of the compressor compartment as possible except for the vents for cooling.
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So this is where aluminium flyscreen comes in.
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I tried to run the flyscreen around most of the removable section as a second line of defense.
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With a portable AM radio it is working very well, but the real test will be beyond the black stump!

While at it I replaced some of the insulation I had previously installed with acoustic insulation & added a bit more of it in those difficult spots. Also put it on the under side of the compressor compartment as that was a bit drummy.

Previous work on the fridge:
https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic33107.html
Also modified the aluminium angle behind the fan so the air off the fan flows a touch better. Angled the aluminium down by about 9mm towards the condenser coil. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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IanMetro



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Have you fitted (high frequency) suppressors to any wires leaving your cabinet. As well as disturbing other power supplies, they will act as aerials re-transmitting the electrical noise. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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Lightwater



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Isn't what this is for. I get the same interference whether only AC or only DC is physically connected. This is on the AC line.

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I have the radio sitting right next to the fridge now & no noise, better than I was expecting. The AM stations I'm trying to listen to are 500 km away. The further ones I can only listen to at night. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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Vanny



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Does the fridge have a fan? In my (limited) experience variable speed fans have a higher impact on AM interference than compressors.

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Lightwater



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It is the compressor because it starts at a slightly different time to the fan & the noise on the radio is in time with the compressor spooling up or down.

I have had 3 different fans in there to improve efficiency. The last 2 being Noctua fans. I also use one of these fans in the car as a home made desktop fan & had no issues. It is the same as the previous fan in the fridge.

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 Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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IanMetro



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If your stand alone radio works perfectly alright and your car radio doesn't, then, I feel that you need to suppress All power wiring from fridge, and make sure that everything is properly earthed to car. (you seem to have proved it's not RF radiation interference)

Can you experiment by running fridge and radio on completely separate supplies?

You could also check aerial by substituting it for a long bit of wire.

See below for tips, there is quite a lot about it if you search AM Radio Interference on Web.

https://www.lifewire.com/curing-car-audio-static-534627 FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
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Lightwater



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It happens to the car radio & to 2 different portable radios which both of these run off there own AA batteries. We listen to AM in the car at night when camping using a portable radio not to flatten the car battery & the car also switches off after 10 minutes anyway.

The fridge runs off its own battery not connected to the car, often forgetting to manually plug in (until recently adding DC-DC) the fridge's battery to charge it up.

It is only AM that is an issue & the problem seems to be fixed.

The same noise occurs when the fridge is in the house running off 240v or on a 12v battery. I test the fridge using a spare 12v battery. Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

Acoustic insulation ARB TPMS 3xARB air compressors After cooler Air tank On-board OCD pressure air/water cleaning Additional 50L fuel Carpet in doors ABE 2x1kg Waeco 28L modified fridge Battery 4x26ah Solar 120w Victron MPPT 100/20 DC-DC 18amps 175amp jumper plug Awning 6x255/60R18

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IanMetro



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Sorry, on first reading your post, I thought you were reporting a problem and asking for help.

I see now that you were reporting modifications which you believe overcame your problem. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 74k+ miles) (MY2015)

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