https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45550025

Not good news for JLR FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 82k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)

CEO been bleating about this and that for ages . If he so worried about profit downturn perhaps he should think about putting a realistic price on his motors.  If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

A realistic price? In comparison to what?

I’m not aware of any bargains from Jaguar’s competitors at BMW/Audi/Mercedes.

This is very sad to hear, especially as I’m in a new XF Sportsbrake R-Sport 4x4 loaner that’s a complete riot to drive; certainly an order of magnitude better that the last, comparatively arthritic, 520d that I drove. Pity that it’s so low to the ground to get in to!

Jaguar new car registrations are down -6.59% and Land Rover -9.48% year on year Jan to Aug against a market that's down -4.16% To be fair the diesel market is down -28.7% so for a manufacture to concentrate mainly on Diesel engine vehicles is putting all their eggs in one basket. (New car data source SMMT)

However, the latest What Car 2018 1 to 4 year old car reliability survey shows Jaguar and Land Rover near the very bottom 28 and 30 out of 31 marques.

Rank Brand Score
1 Suzuki 97.7%
2 Lexus 97.5%
3 Toyota 96.8%
=4 Kia 95.8%
=4 Mitsubishi 95.8%
=4 Subaru 95.8%
7 Skoda 95.6%
8 Alfa Romeo 95.5%
9 Hyundai 95.4%
10 Seat 95.2%
=11 Mazda 94.6%
=11 Vauxhall 94.6%
13 Dacia 94.1%
14 Fiat 94.0%
15 Honda 93.8%
16 BMW 93.4%
17 Volkswagen 92.9%
18 Ford 92.7%
19 Renault 91.7%
=20 Audi 91.5%
=20 Volvo 91.5%
22 Mini 91.2%
23 Porsche 90.9%
24 Peugeot 89.4%
25 Citroen 88.1%
26 Mercedes-Benz 88.0%
27 Nissan 87.1%
28 Jaguar 84.9%
29 Jeep 82.7%
30 Land Rover 76.5%
31 Tesla 57.3%

Same goes for last years JD Power poll Land Rover 4th from the bottom of the list regarding reliability ( me thinks there is a pattern here) I for one will also not think twice about another Land Rover it will be with out a doubt a Japanese car.

Reality check on their pricing and reliability is needed by JLR , I can buy a Volvo XC90 nearly £8k cheaper than a disco .. and the Volvo will work. Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

Although it is Jaguar that we are talking about here.

AJ918 wrote:

Jaguar new car registrations are down -6.59% and Land Rover -9.48% year on year Jan to Aug against a market that's down -4.16% To be fair the diesel market is down -28.7% so for a manufacture to concentrate mainly on Diesel engine vehicles is putting all their eggs in one basket. (New car data source SMMT)

However, the latest What Car 2018 1 to 4 year old car reliability survey shows Jaguar and Land Rover near the very bottom 28 and 30 out of 31 marques.

Rank Brand Score
1 Suzuki 97.7%
2 Lexus 97.5%
3 Toyota 96.8%
=4 Kia 95.8%
=4 Mitsubishi 95.8%
=4 Subaru 95.8%
7 Skoda 95.6%
8 Alfa Romeo 95.5%
9 Hyundai 95.4%
10 Seat 95.2%
=11 Mazda 94.6%
=11 Vauxhall 94.6%
13 Dacia 94.1%
14 Fiat 94.0%
15 Honda 93.8%
16 BMW 93.4%
17 Volkswagen 92.9%
18 Ford 92.7%
19 Renault 91.7%
=20 Audi 91.5%
=20 Volvo 91.5%
22 Mini 91.2%
23 Porsche 90.9%
24 Peugeot 89.4%
25 Citroen 88.1%
26 Mercedes-Benz 88.0%
27 Nissan 87.1%
28 Jaguar 84.9%
29 Jeep 82.7%
30 Land Rover 76.5%
31 Tesla 57.3%

They’ve been bottom for years  21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

AJ918 wrote:

However, the latest What Car 2018 1 to 4 year old car reliability survey shows Jaguar and Land Rover near the very bottom 28 and 30 out of 31 marques.

So why are Japanese/Korean cars so much more reliable ? What do they do different from the Europeans manufacturers ?

Weve only ever had 2 Japanese cars - a Mazda Bongo camper (which was a hoot in the snow - 2.5 L turbo diesel auto - winter tyres and rear LSD) and Daihatsu Copen (the latter we still have - its 14 years old and everything still works - a bit of rust on sills and wings but they didnt do underseal well in those days)

 Jules

Is that Noddy's car? Common sense isn't very common.
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I’ve only ever had one Japanese built car - a new Nissan Sunny and a selection of nearly new Japanese motorcycles and I’ve struggled to see what all the fuss was about. From hideously poor quality welding on the bike frames and some very suspect electricals to some of the cheapest and nastiest materials on the Nissan (such as “metal” bumpers that, once squashed, could be reformed by hand, without using any tools!).

Tigger wrote:

A realistic price? In comparison to what?

I’m not aware of any bargains from Jaguar’s competitors at BMW/Audi/Mercedes.

This is very sad to hear, especially as I’m in a new XF Sportsbrake R-Sport 4x4 loaner that’s a complete riot to drive; certainly an order of magnitude better that the last, comparatively arthritic, 520d that I drove. Pity that it’s so low to the ground to get in to!

I begrudge paying top dollar for something that is according to surveys so poor also my old type Grand Vitara knocked spots off the DS i had as yet another courtesy car whilst mine was being fixed.
Each to their own  If it wasn't so bad it'd be funny.

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Freelander 2 HSE auto 2014 ( Florrie ) ..... Try again.
Freelander 2 GS 2012...... Gone.

I blame Brexit for my ingrowing toenail - the major reason sales at JLR are down is the fact that the Government have demonised diesel cars. In addition folk are wary about committing large sums of money when ,allegedly, new technology is just around the corner.  MY 09 GS manual in Lago Grey, Wood Co arm rest and side bumper strips - now sold.

MY 15 SD4 SE Auto Orkney Grey with colour coded Bumper Door Mouldings

On the whole I agree with the BBC article as written.

It does seem that a perfect storm is on the horizon for JLR. Combining, in the near future, anti diesel laws and raised tariffs between countries, will lead to (perhaps smaller) manufacturing units in the countries/areas where sales are the highest and easiest.

Of course, the no-plan Brexit makes it harder for us, but it isn't the only problem. We have lost the ability as a country to plan and invest for the long term. Just look at our infrastructure. FL2 XS SD4 Auto 2010 2012-2017 (21k - 91k miles) (MY2011)
FL2 Metropolis SD4 Auto 2014 2017- (16k - 82k+ miles) (MY2015)
Metro in its 11th Year of (Extended) LR Warranty / Full LR Service History
(Expensive, but Trouble/Worry free - hopefully?)