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cqr



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Abs

is there a easy way of turning off the abs?
May be a fuse or wire to unplug
wire ideally I would fit a switch on the dash would be good for off road IMO

Post #247422 3rd Jan 2015 11:00 am
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Would that not disable the HDC also Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis

Post #247424 3rd Jan 2015 11:10 am
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Why is the first qestion?

I know there are certain conditions when the locked wheels can create a wedge to aid slowing down etc. I imagine the terrain response may take care of that in the different programs.

There is a fuse for the ABS module, as said it might cause issues with other equipment, it's there to protect the circuit wiring not to allow it to be turned off.
Alex may know of some CCF settings that could be altered, I am wondering if it could be disabled below a certain speed?

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Thud

Don't understand why, you need to keep the wheels turning to keep control, with the wheels locked your in the lap of the Gods.

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I'll be working on my abs this year Rolling with laughter

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Post #247434 3rd Jan 2015 11:54 am
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taztastic



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Not on sand or loose gravel surfaces, the ABS will kick in immediately and the car becomes like a container ship, takes a long distance to stop.
You want to build up debris in front of the wheels forming little berms to act as brakes, a rolling wheel will prevent this, yes you can steer but you can't perhaps stop as quickly.

In the 90's the Merc G wagens had an ABS 'kill switch' to disable the ABS function, this however, was very soon outlawed and the switches were no longer fitted.
VW have a similar but automatic system called ABSplus, this works at low speeds to prevent the abs kicking in and allowing loose material to build up.

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Post #247437 3rd Jan 2015 12:06 pm
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I can see the advantage of killing the ABS under certain conditions, but I thought it was integrated so deep within the TR programs/software and traction control that it would be impossible to separate it out, and pulling a fuse would cause havoc.

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In a perfect world I would have no abs below 15 mph,
I have had some very scary fast descents down hills when if I could have more control over the brakes
I could have slowed things down
Also on lose gravel etc locking the wheels will stop quicker

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cqr



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I wonder if it's possible to make the abs less sensitive
That would be perfect

Post #247459 3rd Jan 2015 2:49 pm
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I have often wondered how a car with abs actually stops! What is the difference between a four wheel skid (where the brakes are released monetarily by the abs system as it detects stationary wheels) and a vehicle that is actually stationary? Presumably it is switched off at a very low road speeds.

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cqr



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I may be wrong , I think abs dus not work below 4 mph

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Normally, ABS equipped vehicles do not have a separate rear wheel pressure/load valve. This would mean the rear wheels would lock far to easily if ABS was disabled.
Traction control would also be disabled as would DSC.
ABS also takes an input from the Yaw rate sensor which greatly increases the ability to steer under heavy braking.
As EY states, you also have the TR to consider.
There is also the possibility you might forget to enable ABS once back on the public highway. If involved in an accident and a investigation took place, I'd dread to think............. Another member of the failed FL2 clutch/DMF club, twice.

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I found this interesting write up on the D3 terrain response system which includes some tests on how the different modes work on different surfaces: http://www.caranddriver.com/features/what-...esponse-do

Am assuming the Freelander 2 system is basically identical, so it does adjust the abs according to which mode you're using. I guess it just doesn't go as far as cqr would like.

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cqr



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Thanks pegleg
At the speeds I need no abs,electronic aids will not be needed
If I could adjust the sensitivity that would be good if not no abs for off road
On road in country roads the abs has hindered my stoping ability at times
I have been off roading for over 20 years mostly motor bikes and feel more than confident with no abs, legality aside lol

Thanks for all the input fellow forum members

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