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MANUFAN Member Since: 10 Dec 2011 Location: Manchester Posts: 357 |
Keep warm mate |
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25th Jan 2012 8:39 pm |
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MANUFAN Member Since: 10 Dec 2011 Location: Manchester Posts: 357 |
Or Boddington's, the cream of Manchester |
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25th Jan 2012 8:47 pm |
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Mona Geeza Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Devon Posts: 1293 |
I suppose its to curry favour |
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25th Jan 2012 9:08 pm |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2657 |
You forgot to mention the Toyota's built in Derbyshire. And whilst The Doctor mention correctly AM we must also credit those fine chaps in Malvern still manufacturing their quintessential Morgan English car. Or what about an Arrow, or McLaren who've already sold over 2,000 of their very expensive MP4-12c. However, let's refocus as this is Freel2.com and not forget the FL2 - remember comrades Tata started in 2011 production trials in India based on kits being shipped from Halewood. Hey ho - workers of the world unite (and all that crap) |
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26th Jan 2012 8:56 am |
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1STFREELANDER Member Since: 15 Feb 2010 Location: lONDON Posts: 196 |
Sorry, forgot about Toyota. I suppose its a mute point about whats made by who, and where. How do you define a car designed in europe, built in the far east and owned by the Arabs.
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26th Jan 2012 12:17 pm |
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ad210358 Member Since: 12 Oct 2008 Location: Here and There Posts: 7464 |
Is it The latest cans no longer have "Cream" on them. Is just a bit of rebranding, but I did hear they were shutting part of the Boddingtons Brewery. |
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26th Jan 2012 3:06 pm |
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iain cooper Member Since: 27 Aug 2007 Location: north of Glasgow Posts: 1989 |
it's our own fault..............if we want quality we buy German, if we want reliability we buy Japanese, etc, etc
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26th Jan 2012 3:58 pm |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2657 |
I'm all for the break up of the Union - folks have a right to determine their own future if they so wish. Then they cannot continue to whinge about the English.
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26th Jan 2012 6:19 pm |
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big-al-cove Member Since: 23 Dec 2011 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 486 |
that's probably the best idea put all the idiots and conmen in one place like Westminster, hold on they are there already quick build a wall to keep them in and get the armed forces to patrol it then let the rest of us get on with living NO taxes NO politicians, then and only then will there be a United Kingdom 1995 P38 now dead 2012 FL2 GS Fuji White winter pack arm rest pack |
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26th Jan 2012 6:47 pm |
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ad210358 Member Since: 12 Oct 2008 Location: Here and There Posts: 7464 |
Seen on the M40 today was a blue tanker, painted on the back was the slogan, "British Farmers Need You Buy British Beef" the tanker was being pulled by a Scania
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26th Jan 2012 7:30 pm |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2657 |
ad210358
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26th Jan 2012 9:06 pm |
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stooby Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: South Lanarkshire Posts: 320 |
..on the aeronautical theme... Post war our aircraft industry was second to none. We would have been first to break the sound barrier (in a jet palne too! not a rocket plane) if the government had not canned it for being "too dangerous". Then there was TSR-2 which was brilliant but the government not only canned it so they could buy American but they then went on to insist that every trace of the project was destroyed.
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27th Jan 2012 10:57 am |
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athelstan Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: Reality Posts: 2657 |
Stooby I remember the TSR-2 project very well, unfortunately your memory of the project is a little flawed. The project was running at the same time as the SSA project - otherwise and later labelled Concorde. UKGov at the time needed to balance to books (much like today) and it fell to Tony Benn to decide the issue. He made the only possible decision given all the facts. Concorde got the development money and the UK got a world beater. The American's being beaten to the runway then politically, via its powerful lobbying industry, convinced 97% of the world's airlines not to buy (or lease) the aircraft and concurrently they sponsored all manner of environmental groups to campaign around airport communities to prevent Concorde from securing landing rights. So what should have been an outright commercially successful project in those decadent decades of intercontinental travel quickly became a fallen star. The TSR-2 in early flight test certainly out-performed the friendly and hostile competitor aircraft of other nations however the ability of the MOD and its contractors to a) bring the early results to fruition in a time frame before the competition caught up, and b) to secure sufficient orders from friendly nations at a price on par with the Americans was seriously disputed. Much later this scenario was proven to be correct when another outstanding UK military aircraft that did make it to full production also failed "commercially" for the very same reasons - The Harrier. And before you quote the American Marines buying them - the did not - it was a quid-pro-quo trade off for American military hardware coming this way across the atlantic when UKGov was skint. Finally, UK manufacturing business was not destroyed by the policies of Westminster, it was (and to some extent still is) undermined by all the players in the game: politicians, management and workers. That unholy trinity, in pursuit of their own individual agendas, have selfishly put personal power and profit before R&D investment, capital equipment renewal, and sustainable economic growth strategies. Everyone was to blame - call it UK Inc. The net result: the UK has experienced at least 5 decades of boom and bust terminal decline, of short term profit horizons, of industrial relations' class war, of investment starvation, and the exportation not of goods but rather intellectual talent to the UK Inc's competitors. |
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27th Jan 2012 12:16 pm |
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stooby Member Since: 08 Feb 2011 Location: South Lanarkshire Posts: 320 |
Hi Athelstan,
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27th Jan 2012 12:27 pm |
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