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MANUFAN



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Keep warm mate Thumbs Up

Post #129137 25th Jan 2012 8:39 pm
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MANUFAN wrote:
Keep warm mate Thumbs Up


WARM Censored
We've had no heating, no cups of tea, no toast, and working on stanby Gennie at the moment. Early to bed tonight. Chin up - remember Albion's green n pleasant pastures and pints of Marston's Pedigree. Thumbs Up

Post #129141 25th Jan 2012 8:44 pm
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Or Boddington's, the cream of Manchester Thumbs Up

Post #129143 25th Jan 2012 8:47 pm
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Re: BEST OF BRITISH

1STFREELANDER wrote:
Just read on Autocar that the Defender replacement will be built in India the only way to support UK workers is to buy Japanese,
Honda from swindon or Nissan from Sunderland.
What a strange world we live in.


I suppose its to curry favour

Post #129154 25th Jan 2012 9:08 pm
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athelstan



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Re: BEST OF BRITISH

Mona Geeza wrote:
1STFREELANDER wrote:
Just read on Autocar that the Defender replacement will be built in India the only way to support UK workers is to buy Japanese,
Honda from[ swindon or Nissan from Sunderland.
What a strange world we live in.


I suppose its to curry favour


You forgot to mention the Toyota's built in Derbyshire. And whilst The Doctor mention correctly AM we must also credit those fine chaps in Malvern still manufacturing their quintessential Morgan English car. Or what about an Arrow, or McLaren who've already sold over 2,000 of their very expensive MP4-12c.

However, let's refocus as this is Freel2.com and not forget the FL2 - remember comrades Tata started in 2011 production trials in India based on kits being shipped from Halewood. Hey ho - workers of the world unite (and all that crap)

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Sorry, forgot about Toyota. I suppose its a mute point about whats made by who, and where. How do you define a car designed in europe, built in the far east and owned by the Arabs.

I recently bought a Brompton Bicycle, pleased as punch I had brough British through and through, with British Sturmey archer gears, then found out Sturmey Archer was bought out years ago by a Sun Race gears a Taiwan company, and now produces much better gears.

I am begining to think we live in a Global economy, when did the Empire end?

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MANUFAN wrote:
Or Boddington's, the cream of Manchester Thumbs Up


Is it Question The latest cans no longer have "Cream" on them. Is just a bit of rebranding, but I did hear they were shutting part of the Boddingtons Brewery.

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it's our own fault..............if we want quality we buy German, if we want reliability we buy Japanese, etc, etc

we are the makings of our own downfall, and if Scotland gets independance we've done it again !!

and no doubt we'll keep on doing it..........................until there is nothing left.

Iain

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I'm all for the break up of the Union - folks have a right to determine their own future if they so wish. Then they cannot continue to whinge about the English.

All nations design and build "quality" products, and I for one do not place Germany at the top of the quality league tables, nor do I automatically elect (after years of experience) the Japanese as the cradle of reliability, or the Swiss as the world's precision engineers. There's excellence to be found everywhere - you just have to look beyond the hype and predictable prejudice.

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taztastic wrote:
big-al-cove wrote:
taztastic wrote:
Strange indeed, in fact if the Scots get their way, Britain itself may cease to be.

I would have to be English Shocked



hi

well being Scottish i just don't know if it would be a change for the better or are we getting led up the garden path


I think we all are, it would be better for London to gain independence and leave the rest of us alone Whistle


that's probably the best idea put all the idiots and conmen in one place like Westminster, hold on they are there already Rolling with laughter

quick build a wall to keep them in and get the armed forces to patrol it Thumbs Up then let the rest of us get on with living NO taxes NO politicians, then and only then will there be a United Kingdom Mr. Green 1995 P38 now dead
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Post #129307 26th Jan 2012 6:47 pm
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Seen on the M40 today was a blue tanker, painted on the back was the slogan, "British Farmers Need You Buy British Beef" the tanker was being pulled by a Scania Thud

That got me thinking, there is no British lorry manufacturers left, the days of ERF are gone, bought by MAN and closed down over here, Foden have gone, bought by Paccar and closed down, after they closed the plant at Sandbach you could get a Foden for a while but it was being built in Austria Shocked Seddon Atkinson was swallowed up by Iveco and closed down, Leyland Trucks was bought by Daf is the only heavy truck manufacturing we have got and that is owned by Paccar. The closure of British Truck building brought on the demise of one of the finest hand built diesel engines when Gardner closed its doors Thud

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ad210358
Why speak of demise and not of growth and excellence. Here's just two in my home county.

The Boeing Dreamliner would not be flying without they, Boeing, investing in an engineering company in North Derbyshire - yes Boeing have a new factory (4yrs young) producing specialist airframe parts for their flagship aeroplane in England not Seattle. And on the same aeronautical subject, we should not forget that Rolls Royce have designed, tested and manufactured the world's finest aero engines and are the largest employer of skilled engineers in Derbyshire.

The UK is full of centres of excellence, it is such a pity that neither successive UK governments or the British public at large give them sufficient credit or support. Instead of lauding Johnny Foreigner lets congratulate Mr & Mrs Smith and Enterprise UK for their commendable endeavours.

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Don't get me started

..on the aeronautical theme... Post war our aircraft industry was second to none. We would have been first to break the sound barrier (in a jet palne too! not a rocket plane) if the government had not canned it for being "too dangerous". Then there was TSR-2 which was brilliant but the government not only canned it so they could buy American but they then went on to insist that every trace of the project was destroyed.
Our manufacturing base has been repeatedly b*ggered by successive governments ever since.
Makes me seethe it does...
Stuart

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Re: Don't get me started

stooby wrote:
..on the aeronautical theme... Post war our aircraft industry was second to none. We would have been first to break the sound barrier (in a jet palne too! not a rocket plane) if the government had not canned it for being "too dangerous". Then there was TSR-2 which was brilliant but the government not only canned it so they could buy American but they then went on to insist that every trace of the project was destroyed.
Our manufacturing base has been repeatedly b*ggered by successive governments ever since.
Makes me seethe it does...
Stuart


Stooby
I remember the TSR-2 project very well, unfortunately your memory of the project is a little flawed. The project was running at the same time as the SSA project - otherwise and later labelled Concorde. UKGov at the time needed to balance to books (much like today) and it fell to Tony Benn to decide the issue. He made the only possible decision given all the facts.

Concorde got the development money and the UK got a world beater. The American's being beaten to the runway then politically, via its powerful lobbying industry, convinced 97% of the world's airlines not to buy (or lease) the aircraft and concurrently they sponsored all manner of environmental groups to campaign around airport communities to prevent Concorde from securing landing rights. So what should have been an outright commercially successful project in those decadent decades of intercontinental travel quickly became a fallen star.

The TSR-2 in early flight test certainly out-performed the friendly and hostile competitor aircraft of other nations however the ability of the MOD and its contractors to a) bring the early results to fruition in a time frame before the competition caught up, and b) to secure sufficient orders from friendly nations at a price on par with the Americans was seriously disputed. Much later this scenario was proven to be correct when another outstanding UK military aircraft that did make it to full production also failed "commercially" for the very same reasons - The Harrier. And before you quote the American Marines buying them - the did not - it was a quid-pro-quo trade off for American military hardware coming this way across the atlantic when UKGov was skint.

Finally, UK manufacturing business was not destroyed by the policies of Westminster, it was (and to some extent still is) undermined by all the players in the game: politicians, management and workers. That unholy trinity, in pursuit of their own individual agendas, have selfishly put personal power and profit before R&D investment, capital equipment renewal, and sustainable economic growth strategies. Everyone was to blame - call it UK Inc.

The net result: the UK has experienced at least 5 decades of boom and bust terminal decline, of short term profit horizons, of industrial relations' class war, of investment starvation, and the exportation not of goods but rather intellectual talent to the UK Inc's competitors.

Post #129457 27th Jan 2012 12:16 pm
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stooby



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I stand corrected

Hi Athelstan,

Well put dude.


Stuart

ps. Concorde, what a loss that is.
pps. I once saw an interview with an elderly Narnes Wallis who said that he hated Concorde. I have no idea why.

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