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I regularly have 4 bikes on the top the heaviest a thorn rohloff MTB

I had a Orange P7 with a Rohloff , top piece of kit, anybody that is interested should check out the Rohloff website.

http://www.rohloff.de/en/products/speedhub/

A friend has just picked up a Complete Van Nicolas Pioneer of Ebay for under £2000

http://vannicholas.com/Touring%20Cross/5/allbikes.aspx[/quote] What if there were no hypothetical situations?

I saw the Van nic, but it had in internal mech with cable routing on the chainstay and i have heard of problems with the internal cable breaking and being stuck with no gear adjustment. Still a top bike for £2000.

those bikes have a belt drive option belt drives are famous for stealing power, Ok if you have an engine but hopeless when using scone power  At work
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Yes I agree I specked the the external box changer when I bought mine a much better soloution and easier to take the back wheel out with just a thumbscreww to remove the changer. What if there were no hypothetical situations?

One of the problems with belt drive is if you get any mud on the toothed side of the belt it cant escape in the same way that mud can be squished through a chain and so it either pops the belt off or it damages the frame because the sprocket/cog distance is fixed, and by adding mud to the belt you increase belt tension. these belts are not stretchable carbon fibred jobby.
A lot of rohloff frame builders are holding fire on the belt option.
Have you seen the possibilities when you add a schlumph speed drive or mountain drive to a rohloff setup?