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p_gill



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I was surprised to see how well the torx fix keeps the oil in the housing actually and prevents draining. That might actually be good enough for a permanent fix.



I haven't actually attempted the TORX KEY FIELD EXPEDIENT REPAIR but it is encouraging to hear that it worked.

I am not sure that it is a good long term solution.


The reason why it worked is almost obvious.

I think you are very aware of this.



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Take Care

Paul

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So true .. I have a 2a in the garage to proof it. Today 2 out of the 3 attempts starting it ended up with the vvt opening to 80 from.60 at start. The failure was a start of the engine when it was warm.

I have switched back to the original vct solenoid instead of the gates one. With it more and more starting and running without the p0016 error, I am nearly 100 percent convinced it was oil and sludge. Likely the previous owner drove with the error for a while or it just finally sludged up. I am now using M1 0w30 synthetic and will use that a little longer to clear up any passages.

I read up that the chain tensioner is pushed by a little piston so unlikely there was going to be slack in that system. Once this error is cleared I am going to tackle the pulleys and belt as they are whining a bit. Fun times. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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Santas_satan



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Quick update om this one. The error is still there but on cold startup it is always good Just the occasional warm issue. I am going to do an engine flush as this car has had significant maintenance neglect.

I went through replacing the belts, pulleys, pumps and thermostat this weekend and most were still original at 185k.miles. The thermostat disintegrated when I tool it off so if you haven't done a replacement






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Am banging my head against the wall on this one now. On cold startup it generally is good but a warm restart keeps bringing up the p0016. Tried basically all other options on oil, sensors and vvt solenoids so am now left with that maybe it's the timing chain that slipped?

However, doing research on these engines this just seems so unlikely and I don't want to pour in more time and money into something that might not be the answer.

Has anyone done a chain fix on the 3.2 and how hard is it? Would this likely be the culprit for the p0016? 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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p_gill



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It looks like FORD may have a solution for us

I ordered one from my local FORD dealer (I should have it in a week or two)

You may want to go this route as well


https://www.matthewsvolvosite.com/forums/v...p;start=30


Good Luck

Paul


PS I could have gone online and paid for fast shipping but I don't need the part right now. I am getting it as a spare.

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I have opted to tear all the stuff back out and this time go down towards the timing chain. I had a second opinion by a mechanic and with the lack of oil changes it could be that the vvt sprocket is sluggish.

So .. going to replace that and the chain and then also get the timing sorted out as well. It actually goes a lot quicker to tear down once you have done it before. At least my last fixes solved all the oil leaks I had so that is a plus. Stay tuned. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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Found the likely issue. The timing chain had stretched and was riding the teeth of the vvt sprocket. A slight torque and it dropped back down. The slack was likely not enough to jump a tooth but enough to trigger a mismatch.

So .. that chain isn't for the life of the engine and something to watch when it gets near 200k. Going to finish it off tomorrow but it's a job you can do on a Saturday if you have the tools and motivation. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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All put back together today and she purrs like a kitten. I will do some test drives tomorrow to check additional cycles but so far so good.

Lesson learned here? Watch those timing chains. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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Nothing is for life on a vehicle. JLR are quite cynical in their attitude to components. They tell you that it is sealed for life to reduce maintenance and that if it fails well, that’s its lifetime. A bit of maintenance would probably double or treble the components lifetime.

Well done for finding the fault and thanks for letting us know the solution. Thumbs Up

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I think you’ll find that even Volvo say the timing chain is “for the life of the engine”, so make of that what you will!

Personally, I’d say 200,000 miles is more than I’d expect out of a timing chain.

Good job sorting it out Thumbs Up . (Now Sold). 2008 Freelander 2 (Nazca Sand) SE TD4 Auto. Statutory write off & on WOVR for hail damage but still road legal.
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Santas_satan wrote:
All put back together today and she purrs like a kitten. I will do some test drives tomorrow to check additional cycles but so far so good.

Lesson learned here? Watch those timing chains.


Well done!!!!!!

I may add the timing chain to the list in the future. https://www.freel2.com/forum/topic32504.html

LR2 Mike has about 300K on his original chain.

I agree with the comment that the lifetime of the chain is likely very dependent on Maintenance and Use Case.

Let us know in a month or two if the codes come back

Thanks

Paul

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Santas_satan



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Will do. You need to buy some specific tools but setting and locking the timing actually isn't a bad job at all. I didn't open the inner timing cover and the valve cover as it actually didn't look too bad inside of the timing cover.

I found this great video series on how to do this on YouTube

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A small tip, when you remove the ac compressor there is always risk those two adjuster screws move. To prevent that, mark them and use a dab of hot glue. I had no issues with them moving and screwing up the adjustment. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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Badger51 wrote:
I think you’ll find that even Volvo say the timing chain is “for the life of the engine”, so make of that what you will!

Personally, I’d say 200,000 miles is more than I’d expect out of a timing chain.

Good job sorting it out Thumbs Up .


Suzuki do, which is why I have recently become an owner of a freelander 2, the timing chan failed on my
old, but well maintained xl7 grand vitara, the garage told me chain is for the life of the car, which was at 93,000 miles when on the M26 at 65mph the chain broke 😡

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600 miles later and so far so good. Error hasn't come back. Got a few unrelated niggling things working my way through but the car has been solid. 1969 Land Rover Series 2a 88
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