I live on the Romney marshes in kent,we have a large army base where plods learn how to shoot their guns and drive fast on private remote roads around the camp.i could have said ranges,but that would make these idiots "range rovers"cept they were in 17 plate beamer 5s.
anyway,i was on my way to ashford from the marsh at 50mph when 2 plod beemers came hammering up from behind,one went past at a rate of knots, the other was tailgating the red ford following me.then 3 more of the jolly boys in their beemers arrived,when the one at the back decided he was lewis Hamilton and went for it .there was traffic coming towards him god knows what speed this moron was doing 100+but he got in,then the other 3 passed us.i flashed them and gave them a blast but no response.
about 4 miles down the road I caught them up again in traffic,the pratt in front of me was halfway across the white line looking to make a pass on his mates,when we slowed up for the last big roundabout I gave him a couple of long flashes and gave another blast of the hooter,which he ignored and he followed the rest of the jollyboys.
in all this time(20 mins or so) they did not use two,s and blue,s so were not on a mission or a high speed pursuit.just finishing a good day out with a blast back to base.
How the hell can they get away with this on busy public roads  gone
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I presume the cars were marked or that you had other means of knowing they were definitely cops. Get in touch with the relevant forces Professional Standards Department and raise your concerns. LL.B (Hons) - University of Derby
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The Doctor wrote:

I presume the cars were marked or that you had other means of knowing they were definitely cops. Get in touch with the relevant forces Professional Standards Department and raise your concerns.

The cars were 2017 s5 beemers ,white/blue and yellow with police written across the front and back also roof bars with lights.
This led me to be pretty certain they were plods

I will take the sim out of my drive-pro camera if all is clear I will then take it up with the plod shop boss. gone
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Perception and reality are two very different things. What you perceive as a jolly ride out was almost certainly nothing of the sort.
There are occasions when it’s not practical to use emergency response equipment but there is an urgent need to make progress.
It may also have been a training exercise, if it was, the training is fully sanctioned by the Home Office and police drivers are exempt from speed limits in the execution of their duty or as training requires. That said, they will always adhere to the safety speed limits (unless it would hinder their necessary urgent progress) and exceed only the national speed limit where safe to do so.
Highly trained police drivers do not go out for jolly drives at the expense of the safety of other road users. BMW 5 series would only be driven by the best trained officers.
Unless you are a police first class advanced driver, VIP security escort driver etc. etc. you are not qualified to comment on or judge their driving ability.
This is such an important issue that the law is currently under review for a change whereby police drivers will only be tried by their equivalently trained peers as Joe Public has no conception of how highly trained and expert police response drivers are. Derek Hill
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As they were driving BMW's Im assuming they weren't indicating when pulling in and out of the traffic ?

I agree with Delboy.

Sadly a lot of very high level training such as you have witnessed does create a very bad impression when seem by a member of the public. The training that all emergency services drivers receive is to a very high standard that is approved by the Home Office.

Almost all emergency vehicles in the UK now have data trackers fitted, so all driving has to be accountable.

To train someone to the highest standard means taking them past the 10/10ths of their driving skills so that they can find and understand their abilities.

If you need to complain, then do so, and if you feel so aggrieved, then you should.

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Quite possible that they were on the real roads part of the training

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RogB wrote:

As they were driving BMW's Im assuming they weren't indicating when pulling in and out of the traffic ?

Delboy wrote:

Perception and reality are two very different things. What you perceive as a jolly ride out was almost certainly nothing of the sort.
There are occasions when it’s not practical to use emergency response equipment but there is an urgent need to make progress.
It may also have been a training exercise, if it was, the training is fully sanctioned by the Home Office and police drivers are exempt from speed limits in the execution of their duty or as training requires. That said, they will always adhere to the safety speed limits (unless it would hinder their necessary urgent progress) and exceed only the national speed limit where safe to do so.
Highly trained police drivers do not go out for jolly drives at the expense of the safety of other road users. BMW 5 series would only be driven by the best trained officers.
Unless you are a police first class advanced driver, VIP security escort driver etc. etc. you are not qualified to comment on or judge their driving ability.
This is such an important issue that the law is currently under review for a change whereby police drivers will only be tried by their equivalently trained peers as Joe Public has no conception of how highly trained and expert police response drivers are.

Delboy wrote:

Perception and reality are two very different things. What you perceive as a jolly ride out was almost certainly nothing of the sort.
There are occasions when it’s not practical to use emergency response equipment but there is an urgent need to make progress.
It may also have been a training exercise, if it was, the training is fully sanctioned by the Home Office and police drivers are exempt from speed limits in the execution of their duty or as training requires. That said, they will always adhere to the safety speed limits (unless it would hinder their necessary urgent progress) and exceed only the national speed limit where safe to do so.
Highly trained police drivers do not go out for jolly drives at the expense of the safety of other road users. BMW 5 series would only be driven by the best trained officers.
Unless you are a police first class advanced driver, VIP security escort driver etc. etc. you are not qualified to comment on or judge their driving ability.
This is such an important issue that the law is currently under review for a change whereby police drivers will only be tried by their equivalently trained peers as Joe Public has no conception of how highly trained and expert police response drivers are.

............and when they kill a kid on a cycle your response will be???

mcsimmo wrote:

I agree with Delboy.

Sadly a lot of very high level training such as you have witnessed does create a very bad impression when seem by a member of the public. The training that all emergency services drivers receive is to a very high standard that is approved by the Home Office.

Almost all emergency vehicles in the UK now have data trackers fitted, so all driving has to be accountable.

To train someone to the highest standard means taking them past the 10/10ths of their driving skills so that they can find and understand their abilities.

If you need to complain, then do so, and if you feel so aggrieved, then you should.

p.s. Never call a Police Officer a plod to their face, it will never end well for you.

rnlisg wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

I presume the cars were marked or that you had other means of knowing they were definitely cops. Get in touch with the relevant forces Professional Standards Department and raise your concerns.

The cars were 2017 s5 beemers ,white/blue and yellow with police written across the front and back also roof bars with lights.
This led me to be pretty certain they were plods

I will take the sim out of my drive-pro camera if all is clear I will then take it up with the plod shop boss.

I can't understand how a high level of training (or experience) can overcome the laws of physics. Everyone can spread it - Anyone can catch it. Stay home - the life you save can be your own!

its already been mentioned but....

no amount of driving in a safe and private environment can equate to driving on public roads. The outside influences on the public highway (other drivers, road architecture, road surface, pedestrians, wildlife etc etc etc) can never be recreated in a private training environment.

without applying their previously learnt and approved skills in the public domain then how do you expect them to respond accordingly in a given situation.?

other examples included a simulated suicide bomber in a shopping complex, emergency first aid using real amputees as victims for training purposes is vital to recreate the situations that may be faced.

or the military training on selected areas using live ammunition instead of running round in a laser tag warehouse

without real world training then the Police (and many others) would no doubt fall at the first hurdle when they have to apply their 'safe and private' training for real.

so yes, those guys appeared to be driving like lunatics however they have already been trained qualified and assessed to a standard way higher than the general public can perceive and that training is very very necessary given the current crime and terrorism threat levels.



p.s. it was meant to be a joke about the indicators being used on BMW's