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P.F



Member Since: 28 Jan 2019
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Tigertim wrote:
I know what you mean as I recon one of us would have figured this out by now but as the bearing theory is not visible or easy to check that could be the answer .... sort of hope one day it goes bang and it will show it’s self . Later I will compile a list of things I’ve done so you can check them off yours ...


Hi, ive just joined your group.(2008 td4 manual) Reading up on vibration through floor, seats, pedals. i have replaced: all driveshafts, propshaft, droplinks, front wheelbearings, lower engine mount. And to top it off a fully re-conditioned gearbox & new clutch.(gearbox went off with a bang). The vibration started after the replacement gearbox was fitted. Oh my head is pounding on this one. any solution would be most gratefully appreciated.

Post #364857 28th Jan 2019 3:09 pm
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Tigertim



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

I’d say that as you’ve had a new box fitted and also clutch etc it must be something on that line or something not been put back right/tightened up maybe I’d check everything that’s been unbolted / removed etc . The problem a lot of us are having is mainly with the autos and nobody has yet found the cause , so far for me I have done the following and still no closer,
Replaced crank pulley
New crank sensor
New MAP sensor
New timing belt /water pump
New serpentine belt and tensioner
Changed lower engine mount
Engine oil/ filter change
Haldex oil/ filter change
EGR blanked / unblanked
Swapped wheels round
Tightened front subframe bolts
Tightened / checked all exhaust mountings
Removed / cleaned throttle body
Replaced n/s front driveshaft found tiny bit of play
Removed / checked all other engine mounts
Recent MOT checked all bushes / ball joints all ok
No excess play found in all other driveshafts prop joints and bearings
No excess play in flange out of transfer box and haldex
No splits leaks in turbo pipes and inter cooler
Turbo actuator checked moves ok

I’ve driven round now for a week or so with haldex fuse out and at first thought it stopped but i was wrong it still the same vibes but it is confined to the front and all disabling the haldex does is stop the vibrations ressonating through the prop to the rear . I believe a fault in many items would be constanty showing, it is the fact this issue only occurs at the same rpm that keeps me thinking it could now either be a torque converter problem ( as I think lock up occurs at 1800 rpm ),gearbox bearing or maybe even a fuel injection issue. It’s really annoying because mine still pulls like a train and flies when you put your foot down it’s just horrible to drive now ... Tim

Post #364874 28th Jan 2019 7:09 pm
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SouthamFL2



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Front PTU? Nose bearings are made out of chocolate and prone to fail. If there is excess play from the propshaft into aforementioned, then that's your issue. Also, don't discount spline shaft from transmission could be stripping/stripped already.

Post #364879 28th Jan 2019 7:54 pm
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P.F



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Hi, Update on vibration on acceloration. I removed fuse FB6 (fuse box in rear load space) haldex disabled, warning light on dash. I drove for about 10 miles various speeds 30-60 through manual box. All of a sudden there was one allmighty thud from the rear axle and the whole rear end started shuddering violently. I limped to a lay by & emptied the s**t from my pants. I replace the fuse FB6 and tentetively set off. What a transformation the whole car just seems much more free running. there is still a very slight vibration which, i can live with. I have noticed the stiffnes has gone from the drivetrain, i am getting better fuel economy & the all terrain system works fine.
My thoughts are: is the haldex clutch somehow jamming up and causing this monumental vibration for everyone?
When the snow clears i am going to remove the haldex and give it a good service ensuring the clutch is running free.Will keep you posted.
Hope this is of help to you folks.

Post #364927 29th Jan 2019 11:01 am
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Pal



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Hungary 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey
Engine mounts

Hi,

Has anyone replaced their engine mounts ever? If so, any change noteced in the vibration? For me this seems to be one of the most obvious reasons?!

Pal

Post #365334 2nd Feb 2019 8:17 pm
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markyzs180



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If you look at Tims comprehensive list you will see he lists the lower engine mounts as one of the parts he's changed.
Having said that, when changing my driveshaft I did think the engine/gearbox movement seemed 'excessive' Sad


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Post #365341 2nd Feb 2019 8:45 pm
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markyzs180



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Tigertim wrote:
I’d say that as you’ve had a new box fitted and also clutch etc it must be something on that line or something not been put back right/tightened up maybe I’d check everything that’s been unbolted / removed etc . The problem a lot of us are having is mainly with the autos and nobody has yet found the cause , so far for me I have done the following and still no closer,
Replaced crank pulley
New crank sensor
New MAP sensor
New timing belt /water pump
New serpentine belt and tensioner
Changed lower engine mount
Engine oil/ filter change
Haldex oil/ filter change
EGR blanked / unblanked
Swapped wheels round
Tightened front subframe bolts
Tightened / checked all exhaust mountings
Removed / cleaned throttle body
Replaced n/s front driveshaft found tiny bit of play
Removed / checked all other engine mounts
Recent MOT checked all bushes / ball joints all ok
No excess play found in all other driveshafts prop joints and bearings
No excess play in flange out of transfer box and haldex
No splits leaks in turbo pipes and inter cooler
Turbo actuator checked moves ok

I’ve driven round now for a week or so with haldex fuse out and at first thought it stopped but i was wrong it still the same vibes but it is confined to the front and all disabling the haldex does is stop the vibrations ressonating through the prop to the rear . I believe a fault in many items would be constanty showing, it is the fact this issue only occurs at the same rpm that keeps me thinking it could now either be a torque converter problem ( as I think lock up occurs at 1800 rpm ),gearbox bearing or maybe even a fuel injection issue. It’s really annoying because mine still pulls like a train and flies when you put your foot down it’s just horrible to drive now ... Tim


Thanks for the comprehensive list Tim!
Just to add:
All wheels re-balanced and 4 wheel alignment done.
N/S driveshaft changed (massive improvement but (3 months later) dreaded wobble returning!!!
Running 2SO and Millers eco sport diesel additive (seems to improve but may be placebo)
After controlled test on level tarmac can confirm that it is present in auto/sport/manual commandshift.

Having said all of this if someone was test driving for purchase I doubt they would even notice it but as Tim has said before... once you know it is there it does your bloody head in!

My next parts to change are front disc/pads, reason: I have noticed that from first startup said 'wobble' is not there... once warm/brakes used a few times 'wobble' show its evil self but not always? I've also noticed a reverb through the brake pedal when braking fairly hard (like a warped disc) so will swap them out to eliminate lazy brake caliper/warped disc.

Having owned many LR products from P38 RR Vogue, Disco 1,2,3 FL1's x 3, Evoque and now this FL2 I have to say that this is probably my favourite so will endeavour to get to the bottom of it!!

Post #365345 2nd Feb 2019 9:02 pm
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Pal



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Hungary 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Sorry, I've missed that...anybody changed the torque converter yet?
Seems to be an obvious choice, as as mentioned before it locks up around 1800 rpm...

Post #365353 2nd Feb 2019 10:29 pm
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Tigertim



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Zermatt Silver

My mrs keeps telling me to take it to a garage and let them sort it but after 30 years of doing virtually all my own vehicle repairs I’m reluctant to pay someone to tell me “ well it could be this or could be that “, as I think the next step would be removing gearbox and transfer box for a deeper investigation. Really need someone who knows these engines and transmissions inside out to drive it and say ...oh I know what that is it’s your ........ that’s gone . I’ve not much confidence in main dealers as they would probably just want to replace everything until it fixed it and I’d spent 10 grand lol . Between us we might get it one day .. mine is deffo getting worse and I’ve just took up an offer from AA to upgrade to full relay recovery for £20 so they can bring me home when it does go with a bang ...

Post #365357 2nd Feb 2019 11:41 pm
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markyzs180



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Pal wrote:
Sorry, I've missed that...anybody changed the torque converter yet?
Seems to be an obvious choice, as as mentioned before it locks up around 1800 rpm...


Not many TC changes on here (mainly D3/4's) but a fair point... another job on my list is autobox fluid change so might drop a tube of Dr Tranny in for good measure...

Post #365365 3rd Feb 2019 12:59 am
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Pal



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Hungary 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Ive changed fluid on mine, even more occasion, makes absolutely no difference...

Post #365371 3rd Feb 2019 8:14 am
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Cobramark



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"Spoke to a friend at land rover apparently the main I think 6or 8 bolts that hold the front cradle to the body can work loose quite a common problem by rights or the captive nuts inside the body welds break which cause this vibration at certain rev ranges I hit the what can only be described as a subframe brace from underneath before I found this out and it sounds just like the noise I get with the vibration I'll be under the car tomorrow to check the bolts fingers crossed"

Saw this on another thread, anyone else considered this?

Post #365373 3rd Feb 2019 9:16 am
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Pal



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Cant wait to see hear if whether youve found any loose bolts...could be the cause as the noise indeed hears like metal on metal vibration....let us know!

My cradle was removed like 3 years before, due to crankshaft seal change, but at that time the mechanic did not mention about any broken bolts....as a matter of fact i did not have the vibration neither back then

Post #365376 3rd Feb 2019 9:53 am
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Tigertim



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I can rule that one out for us as I nipped up all my subframe bolts and also levered on the joints mine was rock solid ... still worth you checking especially if it’s been off before ...

Post #365382 3rd Feb 2019 10:34 am
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Pal



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Hungary 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey

Just got this from a guy on Facebook, he says is our rear diff

Post #365423 3rd Feb 2019 4:40 pm
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