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dunkley201



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United Kingdom 2010 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Stornoway Grey
“Snow” Tyres & wheels

FL2 fit Dakar Desert Track Tyres on steel wheels found on eBay. However, vendor is selling them as “Snow” tyres! Rolling with laughter

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=ht...2998828225

Bob

(I have no connection with vendor) 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

Post #338797 6th Jan 2018 7:19 pm
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Largered



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The very same tyres as I have on my FL2

They are made by INSA. Dakar Turbos 235 65 17





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dunkley201



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I am sure they would be great on the rough and crossing a desert etc. But without low temperature pliability and multiple sipes in the tread blocks they could be worrying in snow and, especially, ice.

Bob 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

Post #338805 6th Jan 2018 11:47 pm
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Andy131



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mmm wonder if they would fit a Disco Sport?

Forget snow, but I used to run the FL2 on full mud Goodyear MTRs, and they were great when driving through water (think outside lane M56) as they refused point blank to aquaplane. Absolutely brilliant in mud that would stop a Defender on road tyres, having had to pull out a 110 on one occasion. Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - now a happy Disco Sport owner

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Largered



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dunkley201 wrote:
I am sure they would be great on the rough and crossing a desert etc. But without low temperature pliability and multiple sipes in the tread blocks they could be worrying in snow and, especially, ice.

Bob



I've only had my INSA's for 6 months. I have driven on road/motorway, mud/muck (especially where I live) also in snow and ice.

I consider myself to be a competent drive and you drive with the conditions of the road. Some may had read my (Off Topic) post about a Scout Rescue I was involved in during the recent snow/ice in December.

Capable vehicle, with capable driver.

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Largered



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Re: “Snow” Tyres & wheels

dunkley201 wrote:
FL2 fit Dakar Desert Track Tyres on steel wheels found on eBay. However, vendor is selling them as “Snow” tyres! Rolling with laughter

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=ht...2998828225

Bob

(I have no connection with vendor)


Dunkley, the seller of the tyres has now had these tyres on eBay 3 times. twice at £250 start price on short duration auctions (always with a reserve) Check "completed items"

Now they are at £100 start price, he really wants to sell them, BUT he won't be giving them away Sad

I picked up a set of 5 on eBay last September at £170, and yes I spent another £25.00 on steel wheel nuts.

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dunkley201



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They are not for me, LR. I don’t need any more than “Road” grip for my driving. Have Avon Ranger Ice fitted at present on some nice 17” Type 2 alloys. Also have 19” Triple Sports for summer. I only flagged them up as they are clearly rough terrain tyres yet he is selling as “Snow” tyres where there is no chance of a mountain or ice symbol on tyres like that.

Bob

I also agree, regardless of what kit, it is the skills of the driver that is paramount. 10MY (Sept 09) TD4 HSE Auto in Stornoway Grey (Now Gone)

08 FL2 TD4 SE Manual in Rimini Red (Now Gone)

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Worms



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I guess all this simply raises the question of what the ‘S’ on a M+S tyre really means? Without the mountain or ice symbol, I would presume that the rubber is a standard composition rather than a low temp one. A chunky tread on a normal tyre can sometimes still work reasonably in snow even if the tyre is useless on hard-packed frozen snow or ice (I’ve had Michelin XS sand tyres on snow and as long as the treads were reasonably new and sharp and the tyres given extra inflation, the snow performance wasn’t too bad).

Insa give these a M+S stamp and a 5/5 rating for snow, whatever that means! 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
Previously:
2010 MY FL2 TD4e GS - Now gone at 199,500 miles, about 135,000 of them mine.
‘93 Defender 110 200TDi CSW
‘87 Defender 90 4 cyl Petrol
‘83 110 CSW V8 - best ever!
Range Rover 2-door V8 (not sure of year - 4-speed box and vacuum diff switch)
Series III SWB Diesel

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Largered



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The guy's INSA's didn't sell, did say he wouldn't be giving them away.

Re-listed for £400 ONO

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Freelander-2-wh...SwXshaS6XV

still about twice as much as I paid for mine Whistle

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Worms



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Scotland 2010 Freelander 2 TD4_e GS Manual Zermatt Silver

And now listed as retreads! Rolling with laughter 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
Previously:
2010 MY FL2 TD4e GS - Now gone at 199,500 miles, about 135,000 of them mine.
‘93 Defender 110 200TDi CSW
‘87 Defender 90 4 cyl Petrol
‘83 110 CSW V8 - best ever!
Range Rover 2-door V8 (not sure of year - 4-speed box and vacuum diff switch)
Series III SWB Diesel

Post #339006 9th Jan 2018 7:23 pm
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Largered



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ALL ..... INSA tyres M+S are retreads it states that, in the rubber moulding 'on the tyre'

Cool

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Worms



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Interesting! I can only presume that retread technology has improved since my experience of such things! 2005 D3 2.7 Auto
Previously:
2010 MY FL2 TD4e GS - Now gone at 199,500 miles, about 135,000 of them mine.
‘93 Defender 110 200TDi CSW
‘87 Defender 90 4 cyl Petrol
‘83 110 CSW V8 - best ever!
Range Rover 2-door V8 (not sure of year - 4-speed box and vacuum diff switch)
Series III SWB Diesel

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Can't see a speed rating on the pics but I doubt whether retreads would have a sufficient speed rating for an FL2. In which case would probably void your insurance.
Edit: yes, they are Q rated. Max 99mph. Not suitable for FL2. Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

Post #339036 9th Jan 2018 10:54 pm
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Largered



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"Not suitable for FL2."

Could you explain your sweeping statement, please ?

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FL2 is fitted with V rated tyres. Q rated tyres are rated at 99 mph, which is lower than the top speed of the vehicle. This is very likely to invalidate your insurance - at the very least you would need to discuss it with your insurers. See for example https://www.blackcircles.com/general/speedrating

That said, I see that LR did specify a Q rated tyre (Wrangler MT/R) as an accessory, but I imagine this would have been for special purposes. Check with insurers before you buy! Ex AA Series III LWB Safari - Gone
300TDi Disco (bought new - terrible car) sent back after 18 months
Freelander 1 Estate - leased, given back at end of lease
200TDi Disco (bought from a mate with 100,000 on the clock) - Gone
Disco 2 TD5 - sold and exported to France
FR2 TD4 GS - Gone
FR2 SD4 HSE - Now changed for a DS
New model ex-demo Evoque S 180 in white
Unable to order a new DS, so gave up. Now have a Volvo S90 Recharge.

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