Honest Johns just put up the 10 worst cars for after market warranty claims. I wonder which brand fared worst ? Can you guess.

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/tax-insu...ll%20story FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

2 Range Rovers, 2 Land Rovers and a Jaaaaaaag!

No Evoques in there I see.  Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
Evoque SD4 Dynamic Lux Auto
Present: Audi A3 S Line.

my fl2 is good  2008 xs
Snorkel
raised axle/gearbox breathers
Mantec tank guard
Cb radio
Blanked EGR
Sump guard
Scratches
Snolkle

Not the best advert for the LR range of used cars is it. At least the FL2 avoided a public humiliation. FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

Blimey, the Discovery 4 must be bad; it's both the 2nd and the 3rd most unreliable car at the same time! Quite a remarkable achievement.

It might tell us all we need to know about the accuracy of the data (and their collation methods) behind this report.

It might be flawed, but it's interesting to see both BMW and Mercedes in there as well.

I popped in to see my mother last night and there was a copy of "Which" on the table. I picked it up for a casual "flick through" and noticed that the Discovery Sport was labelled as "One to Avoid" with 50% of owners reporting problems and each car spending an average of 4 days per year off the road

Very happy with my Freelander, but sad for the brand

Steve

Don't most of these unreliable cars use the same ZF auto box  my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

@jenks: I've had access to Which for years (Dad's had a subscription from the very start in the 1950's!!) and I can't remember a year or a time when they've ever recommended a product from Land Rover because of their "poor reliability" record. When they have carried out tests on products that I really know about, their conclusions have usually been very shallow and shown little evidence of extensive research, yet they can happily publish damning conclusions. If I was one of the manufacturers that they continually rubbish (Dyson is another predictable one), I'd be unhappy about it.

I don't take them seriously and haven't done so for many years. I certainly wouldn't avoid a LR product and buy another Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic on their say so; products which tell you everything that you need to know about the average age of their subscriber base!

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I believe the Which surveys have always covered 10 years of production with at least 2 changes of models but using the same name for LR products, the FL2 was always included with the FL1 for years, therefore Disco will always come out badly especially as the early ones will not have proper servicing on their 3rd and 4th owners. Unreliability in Which terms included lamp failure and broken switches, Dyson was considered unreliable as most failures noted were due to over stretched hoses (not that Which mentioned that) and a high number of repairs against others, where most vacuums were thrown away so no repair and completely reliable with a lifespan of 2-3 years. Which is written for the south of Watford Gap with no technical knowledge or gumption to buy without using any other references. Which is now more of a Readers Digest marketing company than a genuine consumer magazine. my PC is slightly to the right of Genghis
2012 HSE SD4 In Orkney Grey now gone, best car ever.

Yep I totally agree that "Which" car ratings are often strange and need to be taken with a large "pinch of salt". (The BMW X6 was their top ranked Large SUV for quite a while which I found totally baffling especially given that most of their subscribers probably drive a Honda Jazz!!.) The quoted reliability for the DS is presumably real data from people who respond to their survey. It is a new model so unlikely to be confused with anything else. I don't know how big the sample size was, though that information will be in the full survey report somewhere. Anyway, just passing on the information

Steve

Which is now more of a Readers Digest marketing company than a genuine consumer magazine - You are soo right [/quote]

Tigger wrote:

Blimey, the Discovery 4 must be bad; it's both the 2nd and the 3rd most unreliable car at the same time! Quite a remarkable achievement.

It might tell us all we need to know about the accuracy of the data (and their collation methods) behind this report.

It might be flawed, but it's interesting to see both BMW and Mercedes in there as well.

wow the d4 must be really good to be that bad!!i think?  gone
P38 v8 auto no problems,great howle from exhausts when giving it welly
Td5 auto head gasket,no5 pot not uncommon but good car.
1st Tdv6s manual epb problem fixed under warranty(stealer said"never heard of this before,i suggested he looked at d3 forum.
2nd Tdv6 se auto epb
3rd Tdv6 xs auto 2008,swmbo,s favourite.

Nothing new, LR have been bottom since 1948.

But I'm on my 9th and the only thing that will prevent me buying another is the price hikes. 21MY Defender 90 S 3.0 D200

I don't care what they say,ive just pulled my 4x4 tractor out of mud up to its axles,with my freelander 2,with my wife driving,thats what I call reliable,when you need it it gets you out of trouble.

Had 3 FL1 and 3 Fl2 - all been good in terms of comparative reliability.
The very first FL1 needed a new IRD (under warranty) and the 1st FL2 had a stiff hand brake which needed some more grease - and that has been it apart from routine service costs.

During the same time we had:

a Disco TD5 which only broke down once ! - (auto gearbox refused to select reverse) and only developed wear and tear faults over 60K hard miles - all fixed by me.

a BMW 330D which had successive central locking and headlights faults -many dealership visits (gave up on the headlights in the end as dealers failed to correct despite replacing the whole £1000 headlight unit).

an Octavia VRS which was utterly reliable - needed a sensor on the exhaust only

a Fabia VRS which broke down once due to failed power relay to ECU - became a family heirloom

So overall I think the FL2 is very good - none have left me stranded

I'll probably have to eat my words tomorrow Jules