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| PepperPot Member Since: 06 Jan 2008 Location: Camberley, Surrey Posts: 38   
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Saw this in the paper the morning:
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3rd Apr 2008 8:38 am |
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| TonyJ Member Since: 28 Mar 2008 Location: Southampton Posts: 105 
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Yes it does see page 36 of handbook.
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3rd Apr 2008 11:28 am |
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| npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090
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I believe they would have had to get a court order to obtain the information held in the black box
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3rd Apr 2008 12:04 pm |
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| Dave Member Since: 04 Jul 2007 Location: Somewhere Near You Posts: 2666  
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What sickens me is that he will only get a maximum of 2 years behind bars, and then probably let out early for "good behaviour" |
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3rd Apr 2008 12:43 pm |
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and its the other family who get the life sentence....
| AndyC Member Since: 30 Nov 2007 Location: Where the snow dosen't melt when the sun is shining! Posts: 4165  
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A sickening sad story, and like npinks, my feelings go out to the child’s family. 
However one and all could help punish these criminals when things like this happen and in this instance if many people boycotted buying Sainsburys chickens for example, it might hit home were it hurts most maybe 
Sorry CG if you also supply Sainsburys  2007 Freelander 2 HSE TD4 Manual with Premium Pack & Moonroof.
Stornoway Grey with Ebony Black Pleather, Clear Indicators, Body Side Mouldings etc. |
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4th Apr 2008 8:33 am |
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| chicken george Member Since: 06 Dec 2007 Location: N. Yorks Posts: 13283 
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Eat more chicken!!!! |
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4th Apr 2008 11:32 am |
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| jules1967 Member Since: 02 Feb 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 170 
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True to some extent - but we were all young and stupid once. I'm not excusing him but I'f I'm truly honest, the only difference between that muppet and me at his age was luck. I had occasional use of my dad's 4l V8 Merc and when I think of the speeds I got that up to on the odd occasion (though not in a 30 admittedly!) I shiver. Assuming he's not an arrogant  then the accident will be enough. A 1 year custodial sentence for a priveliged kid like that is like a 5 year one for a street urchin in terms of deterrent effect anyway. I remember a friend getting 2 weeks for driving whilst disqualified. The one week he served scared the out of him. He'll certainly never reoffend.
On the other side, there are those 2 losers that punched and killed a lad after starting an argument by throwing something into his car. Their crime and the results are even more severe, after all, they went looking for trouble. Yet, their sentences are similar. 07 Freelander 2 TD4SE Tambora Flame, side steps, privacy glass, mud flaps, boot liner and a tow bar. Ok it's the Wifes but she lets me drive it occasionally - if I've been good! |
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9th Apr 2008 9:34 am |
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| jimbob4755 Member Since: 16 Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 133  
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Whilst the actions of this imbecile and those of some 'working class' could be compared, that's where it ends. For him mummy and daddy employs him and he would not be hamstrung like working people in terms of future income either by non employment and on the social where we pay for it. I think that the only way for this person to feel some hurt is that he pays financially for what he has done with an order placed on his income shown on his pay slip an itemised deduction and what it was for to pay the parents, and the victims for the rest of his life and of course a longer sentence, why should good behaviour in prison reduce a sentence in this case, after all I assume he was not punished for unruly and thuggish behaviour, so he will be expected to behave anyway! Freelander 2 - SE
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9th Apr 2008 10:47 am |
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| npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090
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I know somebody who whilst driving to work on a early morning, had a head on collision with a car, unfortunately the couple in the car were newly weds and on their way to the airport and one of them died at the scene.
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9th Apr 2008 10:52 am |
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| jimbob4755 Member Since: 16 Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 133
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Hi PepperPot. I would expect with little doubt that a FL2 provides this info. As you know, the heart of the vehicle is controlled by a computer. It records average speed, distance, performance etc and for the motor engineer a computer has become a tool in the garage where this info can download.  Freelander 2 - SE
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9th Apr 2008 10:54 am |
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| jimbob4755 Member Since: 16 Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 133
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When i passed my driving test many many moons ago, in preparation and practical learning, this included driving the car safely and not taking risks. Has this element of driving changed - I don't think so, as legally permitted drivers we all know of the risks, i.e not overtaking on a hump back bridge, on a bend and where it is not safe to do so and driving in a manner not conducive to the prevailing road conditions and obviously drink driving. I certainly do have sympathy for those in this case you describe which was not pre planned - but it was avoidable. Too many people these days put it down to 'i didn't think'! as responsible drivers we should think. Sorry about my 'rant' npinks, it was in no way aimed at you. Freelander 2 - SE
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9th Apr 2008 11:10 am |
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| npinks Member Since: 28 Jun 2007 Location: Ls25 Posts: 20090
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No offence taken, I agree with you in full
On a lighter note, the same person i was talking about, started to get his life in order...... One night shortly after his release was out on the town, met a young lady... ended up at her house and in the morning he joked that she could pop downstairs and cook him breakfast in bed.......... She unknowingley said "I don't have bacon & eggs.... but i can cook you porrage like they do in prison" 
I beleive he was gobsmacked to say the least..... I think they are married now  [/quote] Former Mod/Member, with the most post & Chicken George Arch nemesis
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9th Apr 2008 12:50 pm |
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| Matei Member Since: 07 Feb 2008 Location: Galati Posts: 782 
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It seems it has nothing to do with the computer that gives information to the driver and Land Rover Service. A specisl tool is needed to read the black box. It seems it record quite a lot including if the brake was applied if seatbelts were on if the car was accelerating or not. I found this on ownerinfo, but wht I did not understand is when it says " it records also near misses" Anyway it does not seem such a bad thing as it can only be read in case of an accident. I would have been more worried if it could have been read more easily by the police and then used to fine us for speeding or not wearing the seatbelts. FREELANDER 2 TD4 SE (XS UK) IZMIR BLUE SIDE STEPS COLD PACK BI-XENON TINTED WINDOWS - AND PROUD OF HER |
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9th Apr 2008 1:10 pm |
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| jules1967 Member Since: 02 Feb 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 170
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Yes - we were all taught this, as no doubt was this poor fool. But - as they sa, let he who is without sin etc. Every time we drive we make risk judgements. Sometimes we travel over the speed limit, sometimes overtake where others may have been more reticent, sometimes pull out when ideally we should have waited. Most of us on here (I assume) have 20+ years of driving experience and for many of us, that covers well over 500,000 miles. In that time, we have learned a lot and as age has progressed, we have matured too. But thats the point. If this was a 35 year old with an impretza then throw the book away, he should have known better. But it wasn't. It was a kid with a car that was way too powerful for him, in the wrong place at the wrong time. 10 seconds later and chances are the accident wouldn't have happened. 5 seconds earlier and he'd have had a near miss, scared himself half to death and learned from the experience. As an 18 year old, I took a 4L V8 merc down the A61 between Leeds and Harewood and in an attempt to catch my friend up, put my foot down. I glanced down to see the speedo flying past 130. Was I stupid? yes. Did I deserve to go to jail? probably not. It scared me and I backed off. Another time I went down a country lane, too quick, put my foot down and found myself head to head with an oncoming car coming out of a blind dip. Somehow we missed each other and I never did nor ever will do that again. I learned more in that 5 seconds than the previous 5 months. We do seem to view a crime, not by the crime itself (like the scroats I mentioned earlier), but by the results of that crime, which 99% of the time is simply down to dumb luck good or bad. Just because his parents are loaded is no excuse for leniant treatment, but neither is it a reason to be extra harsh on him. In any case, it's doubtful that you could do anythig financial to affect him. We don't know the people involved or the exact circumstances but as npinks points out, people who live with such a thing on their conscience (with the possible exception of a certain low life sheffield boxer) are generally affected for the rest of their lives anyway. I just don't think he 'got away with it'. 07 Freelander 2 TD4SE Tambora Flame, side steps, privacy glass, mud flaps, boot liner and a tow bar. Ok it's the Wifes but she lets me drive it occasionally - if I've been good! |
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9th Apr 2008 2:49 pm |
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