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oldgeezer



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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

"Mine has become slow to turn over in the morning and had one HDC Fault message."

make sure the battery is fully charged and stop starts works. If stop start is reluctant to work there is a good chance the battery is poor.

I drove 320 miles the other day and stop start didnt work all day. Put battery on charge overnight with a GYS charger designed for stop/start systems as battery requires a different voltage charge rate to normal batteries ! and now stop start system works ok.

Slow to turn over & HDC fault is a fairly good indicator of a low battery. Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

Post #257838 22nd Mar 2015 10:20 pm
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Chuckalicious



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Thanks. I don't recall stop start (eco mode) working in a long time so could indeed be that.

Will check it out, although tricky as the car is parked on the street all the time. Learned to drive in 2011.
Bought a Micra - great little car
"Upgraded" to Kia Sportage - hated it
Proper upgrade to FL2 TD4 GS 60 reg Facelift - tailgate paint issues, fuel gauge rewire, transfer box failure at 36k miles, clutch at 60k
Reconditioned diff at 70k ish
Sold at 84k and now on a DS. Terribly unreliable.
Sold DS for a 2021 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. Fingers crossed....
Sold Outlander for a 2014 SD4 SE Tech because I’m mental

Post #257842 22nd Mar 2015 10:24 pm
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Dave DND



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Update, albeit a few years later . . . .

The extra engine earth lead I put in place and wrote about a few years back have behaved themselves faultlessly, and I have never seen the HDC faults appear since.

The other day, I started to notice another starting problem. I would press the START button, and it seemed as though there was a slightly longer time delay before the motor kicked in. Probably less than a second, but enough for me to notice that there was some hesitancy there. Engine would always start without fail, but I started to listen carefully and noticed that it was indeed a little hesitant. It sounded like the first quarter turn of the starter was very slow, and then it would burst into life, almost as though the battery was flat.

The Battery was good and fully charged, and being a bit smug about my previous repair, I knew that the earth fault was well and truly fixed, which meant that my starter motor was probably on its way out. These things do happen, and they do wear out. I thought I would have a close look to see what sort of job changing it would be, and made a bit of a startling discovery.

The positive lead from the battery attaches to the starter motor on the top, via a big 13mm nut, and mine looked a little discoloured. With battery disconnected, I thought I would take a closer look. Although you can just about see the nut with a torch, you are best to remove the air box so you can get your elbow in there with a spanner. Removal of the corroded nut showed that the electrical connectivity had been so poor that every time the joint had sparked, it had resulted in a lump forming on the side where it was trying to effectively weld itself to the cable.


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The ring terminal on the supply cable was just as corroded, but after a few minutes with a bit of emery paper, everything was bright and shiney once more. A new nut and washer attached, and I have never heard the starter motor turn so fast. A nice and simple 10 minute fix, and a quick bit of preventative maintenance for anyone reading here.

Anyone who plays with car electrics, (myself included), will always look for an earth fault when something goes wrong, as in 99.9% of the time, that`s what it will be. Just don`t overlook the live side of things, as they can also be problematic too.

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grod



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My11 TD4 manual has earth cable attached from factory to starter bolt. Back to negative terminal via rubber boot at front of battery box

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JGH99



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Good point Dave DND. Some positive thinking there Wink

I have just made up and earth lead to fit today.

Will take a look at the starter connections while I'm in there.

Cheers, JGH 99.

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wild rover



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Scotland 2007 Freelander 2 TD4 XS Manual Rimini Red

Thanks for the info, fitted an earth lead today and found that the starter is far more responsive, confident the HDC fault showing will be a thing of the past.

Post #288573 28th Jan 2016 3:11 pm
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JGH99



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Yes, thanks to all on this post. First coldish start this morning. O degrees fired up nicely first press after a 1 second halt for plugs. No hdc fault.

I did also have the crank sensor out and give it a clean. Will never know if this helped or not. Worth doing though as fairly easy to do.

Cheers, JGH99.

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tank24



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2007 Freelander 2 TD4 S Manual Orkney Grey

Just had the starter solenoid contacts and plunger sorted on my 07 freelander. One of the contacts was only working on a very small part and the copper ring on the plunger was very badly pitted.

Post #289268 3rd Feb 2016 4:53 pm
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JGH99



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Hi Tank24, I'm thinking my starter may well be in a similar condition. Mine is an early 2007 with 98,000 on the clock. Did you have starter repaired or exchanged? What sort of cost?

Cheers JGH99

Post #289279 3rd Feb 2016 6:47 pm
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tank24



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hi JGH i got a kit and my local garage sorted it. Its fairly easy to do yourself if you have the time and place, the repairkit cost about £15 and they charged me £50 to do the work, as opposed to around £200 or more for a new starter.

Post #289286 3rd Feb 2016 9:22 pm
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tank24



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2007 Freelander 2 TD4 S Manual Orkney Grey

if you go on YouTube and type in Denso starter motor repair it shows exactly what to do.

Post #289287 3rd Feb 2016 9:27 pm
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JGH99



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Thanks tank24 will take a look.

Can I ask where you bought your repair kit?

There are a few suppliers around but a recommended one would be good.

Cheers, JGH99.

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tank24



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repair kits uk i think they are called. on that well known auction site.

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These are the old contacts. as you can see very badly pitted.

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tank24



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Hi JHG defiantly repairkits uk. £13.50

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JGH99



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Wow, they look well worn. How many miles had they done?

For £13.50 and couple of hours I'll try the repair

Thanks again, JGH99.

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