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Sidthecat



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Why is it always someone else's fault?

Story on the news today of a university fresher who pretty much drank himself to death as part of an initiation ceremony. It seems that as a part of this, he and his friends had ordered 100 triple vodkas in one bar. No doubt other drinks along the way. Sadly the excesses of the night caught up with him and he died of cardiac arrest.
Outside the court his father said he was 'utterly underwhelmed and frustrated by the apparent inactivity of the university and students union to get to the heart of student initiations'
Apparently the Uni and the SU banned these ten years ago as there were always known problems.
I'm sorry for their loss but how can this be the fault of the Uni? The kid was 20, with a load of mates. What were the Uni to do, shut them in their rooms?
The students, the pub, the kid himself have to take the can for this.
Nope, someone else it seems has to take the blame.
Ironically, the fellow students were at the inquest and all stood around the father as he made his speech Sad
Rant over

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Exactly. I agree 100%. I said to the wife, how could his 'mates' have the front to be there? In my mind, they must play a huge part in what went wrong. Bloody students, so effing clever but not an ounce of common sense or accountability between them. I do feel for the parents though. Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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Well said. Thumbs Up

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Well said Thumbs Up I studied my degree in later years, part time alongside my job. Me and my fellow part time students often rolled our eyes at the staggering levels of buffoonery from some of the youngsters Rolling Eyes

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You also have to remember that at 18 you are now an adult so it's not anyone's responsibility but your own.
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“One of our lecturers told them once in a joint class ....”
See what I mean - they have 'joint clases’. Whatever next! Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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These rules were the norm in the 1950-60s.

Below is a paragraph from the letter sent to my parents, when I started my 3 year full time course on joining the RAF at the age of 16.

MORAL AND PHYSICAL WELFARE

Under no circumstances do we allow apprentices to drink alcoholic liquor when
They are in our charge.

Should the boys not feel well, a medical and dental staff, with a very
well equipped Sick Quarters, is available. If a boy is sent to bed in Station
Sick Quarters for any minor complaint, the parent or guardian is notified of
his progress after he has been in seven days; but should a boy be transferred
to a R.A.F. Hospital away from the Station, the parent or guardian is sent the
address of the hospital immediately so that further information may be obtained.

Apprentices are prohibited from driving any form of motor vehicle, including
motor cycles, whilst they are in our charge, and from riding pillion on a motor
cycle. You will appreciate that this prohibition cannot apply when they are on
leave or pass, since they are then in your charge. A number of cases have
occurred in the past where apprentices have brought motor cycles from home on
return from leave and garaged them outside the Station, without our knowledge.
There is a very dangerous stretch of road in front of this Station and unfortun-
ately one of our apprentices was fatally injured whilst riding a motor cycle
which he had brought back from leave without our knowledge or permission. We
would therefore, ask for your support in enforcing this prohibition on driving
motor vehicles and motor cycles, by ensuring that your boy does not bring one
back from leave. I would emphasise that a serious view is taken of any contra-
vention of this order.

DRESS

Royal Air Force dress regulations state apprentices must wear uniform at
all times, except when at home on leave. However certain exceptions to this rule
have recently been introduced and, apprentices who are in their last six terms of
apprenticeship are permitted to wear civilian clothes to the following approved
pattern, off the station and on certain specified occasions. The approved pattern
is:- Double breasted navy blue blazer, with silver buttons and No. 1 Radio School
badge; dark grey flannels; white shirt; Royal Air Force tie and black shoes.
Additional to this pattern of dress, apprentices who attain N.C.O. rank are
permitted to wear lounge suits of a conservative style and colour at these times.

As your boy will not qualify for these concessions for the first three
terms of his training here, I would ask for your support in ensuring that he does
not return from leave with civilian clothes in his possession. Should he do so,
there is always the temptation that he will wear these clothes and thereby contravene the regulations.


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People are simply following what politicians do. Take no responsibility & other politicians are queuing up to politically kill them as soon as possible! Procrastination, mankind's greatest labour saving device!

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IanMetro:
That brought back a few memories. But I did keep my motorbike up the road in Banwell. 11 GS Bali Blue
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