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Steven.T



Member Since: 08 Nov 2015
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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4_e GS Manual Lago Grey
Remap and insurance

Hi guys, any one had any bother getting insurance for a remap? I've tried admiral and Hastings, both said no... And LV are wanting to charge 1400!

Post #333069 11th Oct 2017 4:35 pm
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AW14



Member Since: 07 Mar 2014
Location: South East
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Mapped the ECU on several cars and never a problem.

Try Aplan, Lancaster or Adrian Flux. I have also had Aviva cover a mapped car.

Post #333072 11th Oct 2017 5:42 pm
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dorsetfreelander



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Loire Blue

Just a thought but I wonder how many people buy cars that have been remapped but not declared at point of sale and what are the insurance implications?

I remember when people used to replace the needle in their SU carburettor (equivalent to a remap) and no mention was ever made of telling the insurance company then. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto no real problems
FL2 S 08 reg 100k no problems
FL2 S 10 reg Gearbox, clutch, throttle body, drive shaft, steering reservoir
FL2 GS 60 reg xfer box, diff and wheel bearings
FL2 GS 11 reg gearbox ,hesitation, exhaust sensors, wiper stalk,
FL2 XS 14 reg SD4 Auto , door lock problem @ 29k

Post #333108 12th Oct 2017 9:35 am
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Yorky Bob



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Location: Yorkshire
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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Firenze Red

Yes and you could then reach 65 in a Moggy instead of 60. Rolling with laughter (if you dare). 51 Series one passed/sold on half restored to a mate to finish years ago.
Lots of Euro Trash
53 Series one low mileage let go foolishly years ago looking at current prices.
Series 2A Safari restored fully while in Saudi Arabia years ago, sold on to a Brit.
FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

Post #333111 12th Oct 2017 9:43 am
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dorsetfreelander



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United Kingdom 2014 Freelander 2 SD4 XS Auto Loire Blue

I still have a Gunson's ColourTune ! For younger readers it's a glass spark plug so that you can see the colour of the flame when the engine is going. Yellow flame meant that it was too rich (just like a bunsen burner) so adjust until it just goes blue. Brilliant piece of kit. If you had that plus a timing light you could fix anything. 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto no real problems
FL2 S 08 reg 100k no problems
FL2 S 10 reg Gearbox, clutch, throttle body, drive shaft, steering reservoir
FL2 GS 60 reg xfer box, diff and wheel bearings
FL2 GS 11 reg gearbox ,hesitation, exhaust sensors, wiper stalk,
FL2 XS 14 reg SD4 Auto , door lock problem @ 29k

Post #333113 12th Oct 2017 9:49 am
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MartynB



Member Since: 08 Aug 2011
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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

Very Happy , yes the inline strobe that if I remember correctly went between a spark plug and a plug lead, I had that, the ColorTune, and I still have an Eezibleed brake bleeder that works off a spare wheel. In fact I think they still sell Eezibleed. 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Halifax winter necessity.
2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic the Thinking Man's AWD

Post #333123 12th Oct 2017 1:11 pm
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MartynB



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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Auto Zermatt Silver

Duplicated Embarassed 2009 GS Auto Zermatt Silver - Halifax winter necessity.
2016 Subaru Outback SE 2.0 diesel SE Premium Lineartronic the Thinking Man's AWD

Post #333126 12th Oct 2017 1:36 pm
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Andy131



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United Kingdom 2008 Freelander 2 TD4 HSE Auto Tangiers Orange

In the vein of the original post
You buy a car from a LR dealer, and it has been chipped, you don't know it, they don't know it, and you have an accident.
Would the insurers check?
Can the insurers check?

More importantly can the insurer refuse to pay out? Tangiers Orange - gone, missing her
Replaced by Ewok what a mistake - should have bought another FL2

Post #333128 12th Oct 2017 1:50 pm
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Yorky Bob



Member Since: 28 Apr 2015
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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Firenze Red

Depends on any accident history. I once saw a investigation engineer insist we (the main dealer garage) get a write off going so he could check the power steering. Not that much left to get going but I assume the claim said that the power steering or steering had failed. Think it was a very crunched Triumph Stag. Would anyone do that now, maybe if a death was involved. 51 Series one passed/sold on half restored to a mate to finish years ago.
Lots of Euro Trash
53 Series one low mileage let go foolishly years ago looking at current prices.
Series 2A Safari restored fully while in Saudi Arabia years ago, sold on to a Brit.
FL2 MY10 TD4 GS traded in at 2 years
FL2 MY13 TD4 GS Current

Post #333129 12th Oct 2017 2:23 pm
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LR NUT



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Scotland 2014 Freelander 2 TD4_e Dynamic Manual Fuji White

As Andy has stated I bet there is a lot of used cars with a remap and the current owners are not aware it has one Whistle MY14 Kahn Converted Dynamic - Fuji White Ebony/Pimento Interior

MY15 Xenon Headlight Conversion

Extended Grand Black Lacquer Interior

Genuine Land Rover rechargeable torch

Founder of the colour coded D pillars & door mouldings!

Post #333130 12th Oct 2017 2:35 pm
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oldgeezer



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United Kingdom 2013 Freelander 2 TD4 GS Manual Baltic Blue

In answer about can the insurance company check the answer is yes !
Do they check Oh YES !
In the event of a death deep investigation if it involves a large payout.
Can it be found out Oh definitely yes yes yes
Re-map, EGR removal , DPF removal and DPF re-map

To be honest very simple on most accounts. if the re-map has been done very professionally its more difficult but just looking at the name sor dates on files is a give away if you know what your looking for, forget the average garage or dealer as they don't usually know.

I have an acquaintance that does it full time for a living for insurance companies and he extracts everything available, even down to force of impact recorded by g sensors, steering angle , brake pressure if monitored , vehicle speed and whether any modified files in the ECU etc etc.

Moving forward DVSa are catching up with technology now for detecting DPF removal and future roadside checks could be very expensive for some ! huge amounts.

You now also have to declare if you have had insurance declined which is never a good sign ! Jaguar x-type sport gone
Jaguar x-type 2.2d sport one of my best cars ever sadly gone
Freelander 2 GS auto 2008 most unreliable ever ! gladly gone
Freelander 2 GS manual 2013 only time will tell !

Post #333144 12th Oct 2017 7:56 pm
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anglaslt



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Lithuania 2015 Freelander 2 2.0T HSE Auto Havana

A salutary warning from Mr oldgeezer for anyone who might have thought "no one will ever know". I cannot imagine any responsible person on here would re-map without notifying their insurance company which leads me to ask the question "is re-mapping really worth the hassle?

Don't get me wrong, I love cars with big engines and plenty of power, but to face years of increased premiums (or worse still refusal) for the sake of a few extra horsepower just doesn't seem to be worth it. In any event, where can you use this extra power which will only knock off a few tenths of a second on your way to getting your next three points on your licence? Whenever I drive in UK I'm particularly conscious of the aggressive speed enforcement and spend a lot of time in cruise control on endless average speed limit roads. Sadly here we're at the other end of the scale where speeding, or any other motoring offence, is rarely enforced. I actually saw someone reading a book at the wheel the other day Rolling Eyes

Rather than re-mapping maybe better to think about what you really want to buy in the first place. Just my opinion of course......... driving on the right side

Post #333183 13th Oct 2017 12:22 pm
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RogB



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England 2013 Freelander 2 SD4 HSE Auto Orkney Grey

agree with what your saying but sometimes, just sometimes, people have their cars remapped for other reasons other than BHP and speed increase.
We all know that every vehicle is a generic clone when it comes to ECU settings etc. and in theory every vehicle is a mechanical clone as well.

But in real every day terms this isn't the case, no 2 vehicles off any production line are exactly identical (discounting options added by the customer)

So a FL2 HSE Auto that rolls off the production line in the morning, and another 'identical' HSE that rolls off in the afternoon may on paper be the same but there will always be differences.

so a remap for the right reasons will only get the vehicle running as it should do, fuel flow, timing, air mix, etc etc etc.... and a by product of making the vehicle more efficient is increased BHP which 9/10 times leads to higher speed driving.

should insurance companies be advised by the person having it remapped... yes
should insurance companies penalise drivers of 2nd/3rd/4th hand remapped vehicles .... probably not as it unlikely they would ever know their new purchase from Arthur Daley Motors had been altered.

When asked by insurers if my car has been modified from standard, then I always answer no, not to the best of my knowledge....What else can I do?? or should everyone selling a car, either dealer or private have to prove that everything has been factory reset as you do with an old mobile phone. 2001 FL1 TD4 GS Auto 3 Door Tonga Green
2000 D2 TD5 GS Auto Oslo Blue
2004 FL1 TD4 Auto 3 door Bonatti Grey
2007 FL2 TD4 GS Manual Stornoway Grey
2008 FL2 TD4 GS Manual Alaska White
2010 FL2 TD4 HSE Auto Santorini Black
2012 Evoque SD4 Pure Manual Santorini Black (sadly a wrecked lemon from the LR dealer)
2013 FL2 SD4 Auto HSE Orkney Grey

Post #333189 13th Oct 2017 1:08 pm
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Steven.T



Member Since: 08 Nov 2015
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United Kingdom 2009 Freelander 2 TD4_e GS Manual Lago Grey

Bit of an update, managed to get sorted with A plan for 700 which I don't think is bad for a 24 year old who wants a remap! To be honest I only want it to help the mpg I'm not interested in the extra power its got enough as it is really! And I know its a land rover and you don't buy them for good mpg and all that but every little helps, it's either a remap or buy something more economical and I ain't getting rid of the Freelander for a while!

Post #333198 13th Oct 2017 6:15 pm
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jules



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United Kingdom 2015 Freelander 2 SD4 SE Auto Firenze Red

Thumbs Up A-plan are good at sorting insurance for modified cars - in the past I used them for my remapped Td5, SKodas and Beemer Jules

Post #333201 13th Oct 2017 6:36 pm
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