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Wireworld



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TPMS on winter wheels - my15

At the risk of reopening a touchy subject I have just had a set of LR sensors fitted into my winter wheels and have had no alarms show on my my15 metropolis, they just worked from leaving the garage. Total cost £210 for the sensors and £50 for fitting balancing etc. Interestingly, my dealer insisted they would need coding (which they don't) and quoted me £680 for the work!
hope that helps someone Smile

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Hippo



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I'm looking at late FL2's in metropolis spec. I don't like the wheels so I was thinking of changing them for new FL2 wheels. I assume as long as the new wheels come with the tyre pressure monitoring sensors then they would work with the FL2 without coding. If not then I would need to get the sensors moved from the current wheels to the new wheels, and they should still work? Hippo's videos - Honorary Tratterer

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Stuartc



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In short, correct! MY15
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Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
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Extra Features Menu
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Digital Broadcast TV
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LR NUT



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TPMS was standards across all UK Freelanders! SE,SE Tech & Metropolis. If you own any of these models your car will not need programming Thumbs Up MY14 Kahn Converted Dynamic - Fuji White Ebony/Pimento Interior
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Post #271671 4th Aug 2015 4:49 am
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Spatch



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Would an MY14 HSE Lux need programming for TPMS do you know? Instrumentation identical to SE Tech of same year.

Thanks.

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Stuartc



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Spatch - I believe TPMS was only on MY15 build.
Otherwise look under the rear of your vehicle, behind the splash guards, in each wheel arch, for the TPMS initiator. There is one in each wheel arch to pick up the sensors in the wheel. You can't see the front ones as you need to pull back the splash guard to see.
The initiators look like this, if you have these then your vehicle has the TPMS fitted.



There is one in each wheel arch, behind the splash guard and you should be able to see this "dimple" (top hole, bottom hole vacant) in the wheel arch splash guard which is where the Initiator is attached to the guard behind.





No programming is necessary but the system needs to be initialised, if not already, in the BCM which is simply done by "enabling" via a diagnostic tool or the dealer, 5 minute job!

 MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

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Spatch



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Thanks Stuartc,

Nothing there which is a shame. Splash guard dimple is there but nothing actually fitted behind it.

I am thinking about retro fitting but it is looking like becoming a more involved job now.

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How does the system work ? Does it become part of your MOT? 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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Stuartc



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Spatch wrote:
Thanks Stuartc,

Nothing there which is a shame. Splash guard dimple is there but nothing actually fitted behind it.

I am thinking about retro fitting but it is looking like becoming a more involved job now.


I think the most difficult item would be the Initiators as they are wired into the main wiring loom, as you can see.



An Amber warning light comes on and a pictogram of the offending wheel/spare on the driver information screen in the drivers binnacle so you have that also. I'm guessing it would be software/CCF. As I said the initiators are your biggest hurdle and how they feed back the signal. As it's a pretty integrated system I'm not sure how you'd retrofit without changing your wiring looms. But hey! Nothing like a challenge Thumbs Up
Let us know how you go and if you need any info, not that there's really much more to see than what I've shown already Laughing MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)

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dorsetfreelander wrote:
How does the system work ? Does it become part of your MOT?


I'm guessing it's not a legal requirement in the UK, unlike USA, therefore it wouldn't be a part of your MOT???

The sensor in each rim (including spare) detects pressure low/drop and sends a signal to the Initiators in each wheel arch which then signals which tyre(s) are low with a pictogram/respective wheel(s) narratives and Amber main warning light, basically. MY15
Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
Surround Camera System
InControl Apps soon to be replaced with CarPlay (WIP)
Meridian Premium Surround Sound
Digital Audio Broadcast
Timed Climate
Cruise ECO Data
Follow Me Home Reverse
Extra Features Menu
Picture In Motion
4x4i screen (WIP)
Digital Broadcast TV
Meridian Rear Media with WIFI
Factory Powered Tailgate
Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM)
Reverse Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA)
Electrochromatic Wing Mirrors (WIP)


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dorsetfreelander



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I remember reading somewhere that if your car has it fitted as standard from new then it becomes part of your MOT but I have never seen any confirmation.

Do you need special wheels for this or is it done via the normal valve and presumably it's got a battery in there and set to go off at a specific (low) pressure? I can just see the MOT problem where the sensor has thrown a wobbly yet the pressure is OK. #morethingstogowrong 3 x FL1 2 manual + 1 auto
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Spatch



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Stuartc wrote:
Spatch wrote:
Thanks Stuartc,

Nothing there which is a shame. Splash guard dimple is there but nothing actually fitted behind it.

I am thinking about retro fitting but it is looking like becoming a more involved job now.


I think the most difficult item would be the Initiators as they are wired into the main wiring loom, as you can see.



An Amber warning light comes on and a pictogram of the offending wheel/spare on the driver information screen in the drivers binnacle so you have that also. I'm guessing it would be software/CCF. As I said the initiators are your biggest hurdle and how they feed back the signal. As it's a pretty integrated system I'm not sure how you'd retrofit without changing your wiring looms. But hey! Nothing like a challenge Thumbs Up
Let us know how you go and if you need any info, not that there's really much more to see than what I've shown already Laughing


Thanks for that. You are right in the fact that it is 'pretty integrated', I have been advised by my dealer that the system in not retrofittable! So that's that. Rolling Eyes

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gj100



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United Kingdom 2015 Freelander 2 SD4 Metropolis LE Auto Orkney Grey

I have a MY15 Metropolis with TPMS which came with the standard 19 inch wheels and on which TPMS seemed to work fine (i.e. it never complained or set up a warning).

Since I already had some 18 inch winter tyres from my previous car (an Evoque) I purchased some 18 inch FL2 alloys and, separately, some Jaguar/Land Rover TPMS valves off e-bay (at £15 per sensor). I checked the part numbers of the units I bought with my local dealership and they say they are correct.

I tried to buy a dedicated diagnostic tool from a company on the internet to set the system up but the suppliers told me they did not sell to the public but that KwikFit were actually ahead of the game on all this TPMS stuff and could be trusted to fit and set up the sensors I had bought. WRONG! KwikFit thought they could do this but were completely out of their depth! After my third visit they finally admitted they did not have the right equipment and gave me my money back on the fitting.

After about 10 minutes of driving (after an overnight stand) the system flashes the warning to show TPMS not working.

Doing my own research I have come across conflicting opinions and understanding even amongst the staff at my local main dealer (Guy Salmon). This fits with other comments from you all on this thread.

I have finally concluded that the sensors should automatically key themselves into the car provided the sensors are not in 'sleep mode'. If they are in sleep mode then they need a 125kHz "wake up" signal.

So my situation now is that I have 4 sensors fitted to the car but I don't know the serial numbers of these because neither I nor KwikFit noted them down before fitting. I think these sensors just need waking up. I also have another 4 I purchased in case the first 4 did not work (which I have photographed so I know all the serial numbers). These are the same part number and are Jaguar Lander Rover parts but came from a different internet supplier who insists they have been woken up.

So my question is where do I go from here?

My proposal is as follows, can anyone see any flaws with it?

1. Get my mate (in the tyre trade) to swap over the 'unwoken' sensors for the supposedly 'woken' sensors (at mates rates)
2. Drive for a few days in the hope they will automatically key themselves in
3. If they don't automatically key themselves in then this means that set 2 are also in an 'unwoken' state
4. Since I have all the serial numbers for set 2 all I think I need to do is just book the car into the local Land Rover dealership and for a cost of 30 minutes time they should be able to 'wake' the sensors

Can anyone see a flaw with this plan?

Regards

Gary gj100
Current LR: Freelander2 SD4 Metropolis in Orkney Grey
Previous LR: Evoque Pure Tech SD4 9 speed auto in Indus Silver
Previous LR: Evoque Pure tech SD4 manual in Indus Silver
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GSKM



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I have a set of Evoque 19" rims fitted with my winter tyres. They came off an early 2011 launch model evoque with TPMS spec'ed. They worked from fitting, I didn't have to code them or wake them up. The wheels had been sat for about 6 months if not longer so not sure about how they go to sleep.

I know the early Evoque sensors are huge compared to the later fit versions and the Freelander only shows basic info. Later Evoques show tyre pressure at each wheel, whilst I don't get that. I think Freelander2 sensors only show if a tyre is losing pressure.

Are the sensors you have for Freelander or other models?

Gav.

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gj100



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Hi Gav

Thanks for the prompt reply! Really appreciate your help and interest.

The sensors fitted are part number LR058023 (as are the spares I have too). They are listed by both sellers as being applicable to almost every model in the Jaguar Land Rover range. The list is huge and includes 2002 Range Rovers, 2005 Discoveries, 2011 Evoques and 2015 MY Freelanders. I have attached a picture and yes, they are quite big!

I showed the spare set to the Guy Salmon Tech Specialist and he said they looked to be the right ones.

Since the applicability dates back quite a way it is possible that the sensors have been unused for more than 6 months so they may well have gone to sleep.

Interesting that you have Evoque wheels on your FL2...(.I almost did the same because I had some Evoque wheels from when I had one)

Regards

Gary gj100
Current LR: Freelander2 SD4 Metropolis in Orkney Grey
Previous LR: Evoque Pure Tech SD4 9 speed auto in Indus Silver
Previous LR: Evoque Pure tech SD4 manual in Indus Silver
Previous LR: P38 Range Rover 4.6 Vogue in Bonnati Grey
Still with me: Mercedes CLK in Amber Red Metallic
On loan to me: BMW 420d MSport Coupe in Metallic Black Sapphire

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