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piattj



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Post #233171 30th Aug 2014 10:06 am
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Is it against the law to overtake these CLODs (centre lane owner-driver) on the inside?

It is against the law to use the third lane when towing so you don't have any alternative when faced with a CLOD in his 20 year old Rover 214 that he has had from new and never exceeded 45mph. GONE - '07 TD4 GS manual Zermatt Silver
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Post #233177 30th Aug 2014 10:54 am
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Yes it is, I do know of someone, not me, but was pulled over a couple of weeks ago, he was in Lane 1 at 70mph, (it was 5am) caught up with a CLOC in Lane 3, no one in Lane 2 and Lane 4 was empty, instead of leaving Lane 1 and going into Lane 4 and back to Lane 1 he just stayed in Lane 1, he was pulled over and told not to do it again, no idea what happened to the CLOC.

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Nope - not illegal to undertake.

Actively discouraged, yes. It might also be used to establish liability in the event of a collision or some other offence being committed.

However, undertaking is not an offence in and of itself.

Post #233227 30th Aug 2014 10:18 pm
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The wording of section 268 of the Highway Code is important, it uses the words 'do not' rather than 'must not' meaning it is technically legal to undertake, however, the discretion of the police may see the move as 'dangerous' and you could be prosecuted for that.

Post #233231 30th Aug 2014 10:38 pm
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I have always understood that undertaking WAS permitted when traffic in the outer lane(s) is travelling below the maximum speed limit. This seems logical as imagine the implications of the CLOD at 40mph in the outside lane of a motorway with noone permitted to pass him? I do it but I am always super careful; if the offending vehicle is in the third lane, I'll pass on the far lane just in case! It is amazing to see how slow some of these drivers are to realise why they are being undertaken by so many other vehicles though. From a time when dinosaurs weren't just confined to zoos!

Post #233289 31st Aug 2014 10:23 am
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Also, remember that the Highway Code is just that - a code. Very different to the Road Traffic Act, which is Law. Foraging near Gaydon....
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Post #233291 31st Aug 2014 10:26 am
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choccymonster



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+1 to Taz and Badger.

As I said earlier, undertaking is perfectly legal.

The Highway Code should not be mistaken for the "law".

It is merely a set of guidance notes which, from time to time, might make reference to various parts of the Road Traffic Act.

Post #233297 31st Aug 2014 11:10 am
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I've always gone along with as long as you don't change lanes to pass it's ok, but the Boys in Blue that pulled him said no, the only time undertaking is ok is in heavy traffic.

Perhaps the Coppers who pulled him over just wanted to have a chat.

Have seven hours later today of observing CLOC's.

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talking of police . yesterday lunch I was parking outside the local bookies - for fish and chips nearby not gambling chips.

a fellow on a pushbike tried to take a swig of beer from a nearly empty bottle (one of shall we say several by the looks) wobbled and hit a parked car, the two bobbies in the car ahead simple gave him a dirty look and motored on.

10 minutes later said bike and rider 'crashed' into a charity shop window after he nearly ran my kids down on the pavement At work
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Police are lazy bandits , I posted this picture to my local bobbies on twitter . I even watched a patrol car drive by without a second look .
 Do it now ! Your a long time dead !!

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choccymonster



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ad210358 wrote:
I've always gone along with as long as you don't change lanes to pass it's ok, but the Boys in Blue that pulled him said no, the only time undertaking is ok is in heavy traffic.

Perhaps the Coppers who pulled him over just wanted to have a chat.

Have seven hours later today of observing CLOC's.


Officers concerned were wrong. By undertaking, he did not commit an offence - it is perfectly legal to do so.

However - I guess the police officers concerned may have considered his driving dangerous or inconsiderate (not suggesting it was), which in turn DOES give them the right to stop his vehicle.

As mentioned previously, whilst undertaking is legal it may do you no favours if you caused a collision/committed an actual offence as it may be considered contributory.

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Sounds like a tally mark and no paperwork for them Whistle

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CLOD's? CLOC's? I know them as CLUNT's. Whistle Past: FL2 TD4 HSE Auto
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